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Re:The built environment and the determination of fault in u... by ghaff on Wednesday March 06, 2024 @03:50PM (#39621251)
That is extremely common at city intersections. The pedestrian has priority but the car also has a green light for a turn. I don't know about the exact timing of the sequence but there are many intersections where the pedestrian has a right to cross and a car has a right to turn (but must yield).

The same city (like many places) also has pedestrian crosswalks that aren't light controlled at all.

The cars need to watch for pedestrians. Lights don't necessarily means that cars obeying the lights never ever have to watch for pedestrians also crossing with the lights.

Re:The built environment and the determination of fault in u... by wolverine876 on Wednesday March 06, 2024 @05:03PM (#39622267)
IME, the pedestrian has a Don't Walk sign if the car has a green left turn arrow.

If the car has a plain green light and is turning left, then they need to watch for pedestrians and for oncoming traffic.

Re:The built environment and the determination of fault in u... by ses1984 on Wednesday March 06, 2024 @10:30PM (#39624777)
There’s an intersection like this down the street from my house. The left arrow is barely long enough for three cars to go and it’s often backed up. Drivers are habituated to take the turn as fast as possible because the green arrow is so short. I’ve seen people almost get hit pretty often. I’ve seen drivers who yield get raged on because the green arrow expires before any cars get a chance to go.
Re:The built environment and the determination of fault in u... by mindslight on Wednesday March 06, 2024 @04:40PM (#39621937)
The problem is that people tend to interpret a green light to mean "you can go" rather than "this specific light isn't telling you to stop". Hence all those signs that say something to the effect "turning cars yield to oncoming traffic on green" as a reminder. And the effect is likely worse for a green arrow, which implies having the right of way.