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Re:OpenAI and Elon Musk by carlossouza on Tuesday March 05, 2024 @11:00PM (#39612151)
> The Open in openAI means that everyone should benefit from the fruits of AI after its built, but it's totally OK to not share the science...

Based on this line of reasoning, ANY company that builds any given technology and intends to share (sell) it to the world, but not divulge how it was done, can call itself OpenWhatever.

They are clearly saying that the word “Open” in their name means nothing.

Re:OpenAI and Elon Musk by Centigonal on Tuesday March 05, 2024 @11:49PM (#39612444)
The online versions of Microsoft office apps are free. What if they renamed those to... OpenOffice?
Re:OpenAI and Elon Musk by kamaal on Wednesday March 06, 2024 @03:02AM (#39613483)
I laughed out real loud after reading this xD

But really there is so much money in this, and if they can make it they are going to be the next Google.

It should be obvious they don't want to be 'open' in terms of really making this open source.

Re:OpenAI and Elon Musk by jrflowers on Wednesday March 06, 2024 @03:37AM (#39613689)
> They are clearly saying that the word “Open” in their name means nothing.

Similarly Microsoft makes incredibly large software and my letters about this have gone unanswered

Re:OpenAI and Elon Musk by simondotau on Wednesday March 06, 2024 @08:49AM (#39615942)
Re:OpenAI and Elon Musk by timeon on Wednesday March 06, 2024 @09:17AM (#39616176)
Re:OpenAI and Elon Musk by simondotau on Wednesday March 06, 2024 @04:56PM (#39622169)
Lots of microcomputers.
Re:OpenAI and Elon Musk by paulddraper on Wednesday March 06, 2024 @09:42AM (#39616435)
Microsoft made software for small computers (PCs) not diminutive software
Re:OpenAI and Elon Musk by jrflowers on Wednesday March 06, 2024 @02:50PM (#39620468)
But my PC is enormous compared to my watch
Re:OpenAI and Elon Musk by paulddraper on Wednesday March 06, 2024 @02:55PM (#39620545)
And tiny compared to a mainframe.

Points of reference change.

Re:OpenAI and Elon Musk by jbc1 on Wednesday March 06, 2024 @04:08AM (#39613896)
Any company could do that. If it would make sense for them to do that would depend on the market they were entering though. At the time OpenAI came about companies weren't sharing (selling) AI to the world. Doing so was a point of differentiation. There's Google over there hoarding all of their AI for themselves. Here's us over here providing APIs and free chat interfaces to the general public.

So sure the name means nothing now in a market shaped by OpenAI, where everyone offers APIs and has chat interfaces. It doesn't mean it meant nothing when they picked it or that they abandoned the meaning. The landscape just changed.

Re:OpenAI and Elon Musk by jstummbillig on Wednesday March 06, 2024 @04:24AM (#39613989)
AI/AGI is a multiplier. There could have been a world where just Google builds that multipler and only uses it internally. Making that multiplier publicly available can be the "Open" part.

I understand that this particular audience is very sensitive about the term, but why are we being so childish about it? Yes, you can name your company whatever you want within reason. Yes, it does not have to mean anything in particular, asterisk. Companies being named in colourful ways is not particularly new, nor interesting.

Re:OpenAI and Elon Musk by ilrwbwrkhv on Wednesday March 06, 2024 @09:15AM (#39616150)
I'm just surprised how the entire tech world has been fooled into thinking AGI is around the corner.
Re:OpenAI and Elon Musk by jstummbillig on Wednesday March 06, 2024 @10:17AM (#39616847)
What you think "AGI" and "around the corner" means might very well not be.
Re:OpenAI and Elon Musk by smoldesu on Wednesday March 06, 2024 @10:51AM (#39617210)
> There could have been a world where just Google builds that multipler and only uses it internally.

Funny that you mention that, actually. Before OpenAI started generously... publicizing their models, Google was actually shipping their weights day-and-date with their papers. So honestly, I actually doubt that Google would do that.

> Making that multiplier publicly available can be the "Open" part.

Aw, how generous of them. They even let us pay money to generously use their "Open" resource.

> but why are we being so childish about it?

Why are you being so childish about it? "Open" means something - you can't contort OpenAI's minimalist public contributions into a defense of their "openness". You'd have better luck arguing that Apple and Microsoft support Open Source software ddevelopment.

The last significant contribution OpenAI open-sourced was GPT-2 in 2019. They are a net-negative impact on the world at-large, amassing private assets under the guise of public enrichment. If it was an option between OpenAI or nothing, I'd ask for nothing and pray for a better frontrunner. It's not the name, it's the way they behave and the apologism they garner.

Re:OpenAI and Elon Musk by gandutraveler on Wednesday March 06, 2024 @05:37AM (#39614461)
By that analogy any company that uses prefix has to be open source?

OpenDoor?

Re:OpenAI and Elon Musk by blackoil on Wednesday March 06, 2024 @06:55AM (#39614949)
Does 'Open' means anything in legal sense? It may not be in bad taste but it is your interpretation.
Re:OpenAI and Elon Musk by dgellow on Wednesday March 06, 2024 @08:17AM (#39615624)
That's 100% the case, you can call your company OpenWhatever and keep everything closed. It's a brand, nothing else