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Re:Apple hit with over 1.8B euro EU antitrust fine in Spotif... by yabatopia on Monday March 04, 2024 @09:39AM (#39591051)
I do remember Steve Jobs wanted "to go thermonuclear" on Android (mostly Samsung and Google), saying "I'm going to destroy Android, because it's a stolen product."

Other motives, same behavior.

Re:Apple hit with over 1.8B euro EU antitrust fine in Spotif... by rsynnott on Monday March 04, 2024 @09:43AM (#39591083)
No, different behaviour. If Apple had announced its own Android derivative called Apple Android++, somehow forced all major OEMs to pre-install it, designed it such that 'Android' apps written for it wouldn't work on real Android, then killed it, that might be the sort of behaviour that would be closer to the mark.

Like, Steve Jobs making vague threats isn't really in the same league as what MS was getting up to in the 90s.

Re:Apple hit with over 1.8B euro EU antitrust fine in Spotif... by jonhohle on Monday March 04, 2024 @10:00AM (#39591267)
Similar behavior would have been to go to all of the retailers and say they couldn’t sell iPhones if they sold Android phones.

Apple sued for patent infringement and that was about the extent of it.

Suggesting that their behavior is at Microsoft’s level is naive.

Re:Apple hit with over 1.8B euro EU antitrust fine in Spotif... by sangnoir on Monday March 04, 2024 @02:44PM (#39595027)
> Apple sued for patent infringement and that was about the extent of it.

You're massively understating the scope and scale of Apple's war on Android. Apple transfered patents to a NPE that sued Android vendors - possibly Google itself. Apple also spent billions on this war - Apple et al spent over $4B to outbid Google on Nortel patents, Google spent even more billions to buy Motorola and its patents, prior to that, Google had virtually no defensive parents.

Re:Apple hit with over 1.8B euro EU antitrust fine in Spotif... by jonhohle on Monday March 04, 2024 @03:23PM (#39595540)
I said Apple sued over patents, you said Apple sued over patents. I think we’re agreeing.
Re:Apple hit with over 1.8B euro EU antitrust fine in Spotif... by sangnoir on Monday March 04, 2024 @04:03PM (#39596069)
I'm quibbling with the phrasing of the last half of your sentence, as it's a bit of an understatement, no?

> that was about the extent of it

Apple didn't only sue over patents they already owned: they went out of their way and bought billions worth of more patents to sue with, partnered with patent-trolls who also sued OEMs on their behalf. So we agree, but the breadth and depth of Apple's actions was remarkable - they didn't just sue, they went to great lengths to do so.

Re:Apple hit with over 1.8B euro EU antitrust fine in Spotif... by whynotminot on Monday March 04, 2024 @11:57AM (#39592661)
> Other motives, same behavior.

If you are absolutely committed to doing zero further analysis, then sure I can see why you would think that.

Re:Apple hit with over 1.8B euro EU antitrust fine in Spotif... by bee_rider on Monday March 04, 2024 @09:55AM (#39591209)
Different results. MS was pretty effective at destroying the competition.
Re:Apple hit with over 1.8B euro EU antitrust fine in Spotif... by fakedang on Monday March 04, 2024 @02:50PM (#39595119)
To be fair, Apple today is more about going thermonuclear on apps inside its own ecosystem, as compared to Android or Android apps. (I don't mean just the commission rate, but the blatant copying of successful app concepts).