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Re:Musk sues Altman seeking a return to open source and non-... by yawnxyz on Friday March 01, 2024 @12:30PM (#39564207)
didn't Firefox / Mozilla set that precedent already?
Re:Musk sues Altman seeking a return to open source and non-... by dkjaudyeqooe on Friday March 01, 2024 @12:38PM (#39564303)
I can download the Firefox sources and everything else they produce.

That they make money incidentally to that is really no problem and a positive because it provides reasonable funding.

What if Firefox made a world beating browser by accident. Would they be justified in closing the source, restricting access and making people pay for it?

That's what OpenAI did.

Re:Musk sues Altman seeking a return to open source and non-... by strbean on Friday March 01, 2024 @12:43PM (#39564372)
That's the real distinction: does the for-profit subsidiary subsume the supposed public good of the parent non-profit?

If OpenAI Co. is gatekeeping access to the fruits of OpenAI's labors, what good is OpenAI providing?

Re:Musk sues Altman seeking a return to open source and non-... by DANmode on Friday March 01, 2024 @01:59PM (#39565405)
Anyway, to answer your question, no, not okay to close up the nonprofit and go 100% for-profit in that case.

Concisely, in any human matteres: Do what you say you'll do, or, add qualifiers/don't say it.

Take funds from a subset of users who need support services or patch guarantees of some kind, use that to pay people to continue to maintain and improve the product.

Re:Musk sues Altman seeking a return to open source and non-... by DANmode on Friday March 01, 2024 @01:56PM (#39565363)
They had one of the best browsers in the world at one point.

Their sell-out path was hundreds of millions of dollars from GOOG to make their search engine the default, and, unspoken: allow FF to become an ugly, insecure, red-headed stepchild when compared to Chrome.

Likely part of what took priority away from Thunderbird, at the time, too.

Re:Musk sues Altman seeking a return to open source and non-... by wbl on Friday March 01, 2024 @12:34PM (#39564259)
No. MozCo is for profit owned by Mozilla Foundation which does additional things to satisfy the IRS and has been that way since the begining.
Re:Musk sues Altman seeking a return to open source and non-... by dragonwriter on Friday March 01, 2024 @12:36PM (#39564280)
That's the same basic structure, on paper, as OpenAI, it didn't “switch to for-profit” in terms of taking the nonprofit entity and converting it to a for-profit.
Re:Musk sues Altman seeking a return to open source and non-... by wkat4242 on Friday March 01, 2024 @12:39PM (#39564328)
Not since the beginning. They made it that way after beef with the IRS.

I wish they hadn't because they are thinking too commercial (extremely high paid CEO) for instance but they have a foundation to answer to which doesn't manage them like shareholders would (eg not rewarding the CEO for dropping marketshare!). This model is the worst of both worlds imo.

Re:Musk sues Altman seeking a return to open source and non-... by wmf on Friday March 01, 2024 @01:43PM (#39565192)
Mozilla doesn't have outside investors; AFAIK it's 100% owned by the foundation. OpenAI has outside investors.