Luckily our government unconditionally sends billions to Israel every year (war or no war) so they aren't burdened by such moral standards.

As in, pretending to be a humanitarian aid org so that you can smuggle weapons to terrorists?

Resistance fighters.

Rapists

UN alarm about human rights violations https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/02/israelopt-un...

To add to the other comment pointing out the sexual violence against women and children by the IDF, here is another showing that NYT hit piece on Hamas was made up garbage:

https://theintercept.com/2024/02/28/new-york-times-anat-schw...

Pointing out the fact that both sides do bad things doesn't cancel any of it out. We know for a fact that the leaders of Hamas are billionaires that live in Qatar, this money was embezzled from aid and we know it was.

I'll never forget the video of a naked, dead woman being drug behind a pickup truck while crowds of not-terrorists cheer.

Picking a fight with someone bigger and stronger than you does not give you the moral high ground.

Gleefully and proudly starting a war by murdering a bunch of people at concert and filming as much of it as possible while you do it, and then immediately crying foul and demanding a ceasefire as soon as you suffer retaliation just doesn't impress me much.

Your post has nothing to do with what I posted. It’s about the NYT lying to help facilitate a genocide.

Wrong. You simply pointed out that there is sexual assault on both sides, which is not a real response to the post you replied to directly, and not a good post in the context of the whole thread. My response does indeed directly address your post, but also the thread as a whole, which is about sending aid.

The post I replied to just says “rapists”. I added that the claims made by the NYT, that rapes were done systematically by Hamas, are outright fabrications. It’s been a hasbara talking point since that article came out and why that person said it.

You went off repeating lies about Hamas leaders being billionaires, atrocity propaganda about a dead woman, and then your feelings about how you don’t care about the genocide. So no, it doesn’t address my post.

It's sad that some people will probably believe this disgusting shit you're spouting. They posted hundreds if not thousands of videos of themselves all over the internet on sites like 4chan the day it happened.

Ah yes, pearl clutching. Like every other person who spouts hasbara lies on here. Just go on and call me an antisemite and we can move on from this.

Or you could address the points in the intercept article and show how wrong I am about the NYT piece being complete BS.

They are rapists..Stop carrying water for them.

Pointing out the NYT published complete lies and propaganda — Hamas systematically raping women — in order to further facilitate a genocide isn’t carrying water for anyone.

You're dodging the conversation, too.

Let's say that Hamas is a horrible, evil organization whose explicit goal is the destruction of Israel at the expense of many lives, including Palestinian children in Gaza.

Let's also say that the NYT piece has major credibility issues due to the background and lack of journalism experience of one of their main sources of reporting, and further lacks credibility due to their courting of this person, knowing the lack of experience.

There is a UN report out today[0] which states " “clear and convincing information” of rape, and sexualized torture being committed against hostages seized during the 7 October terror attacks."

Am I a genocide apologist for noting that? It's a rhetorical question. No, I'm not.

I am able to think that Israel had a right to tear Gaza apart looking for Hamas.

I am able to think Israel is wrong to bomb Gaza like they have done, because besides the direct cost in innocent lives, they will only be creating more terrorist in Gaza and throughout the Muslim world who wish retribution on Israel.

I am able to think a negotiation that returns hostages in exchange for sparing the lives of some Hamas leadership would be reasonable.

I am able to think Muslim countries don't give a damn about Gazans. Egypt and Jordan want them kept out. Saudi Arabia spends yearly on Gaza support operations what they do on one LIV golf player.

I am able to think the Israeli government is derelict in their responsibilities by avoiding the discussion of "day-after" government of Gaza - rebuilding and administering a land of two million people who will again need hospitals, roads and schools and sewage and power.

What conversation? The guy simple said “rapist” and I called out the source of the claim.

That UN source (which you never linked) was written by the same woman who said Russia was giving its soldiers viagra to rape Ukrainians, which she had to walk back because she was only repeating what she was told without verifying.

Lo and behold, if you read that report she is just repeating what Israel is telling her and she interviewed no supposed victims and has no evidence.

So yes, your intellectual laziness and willingness to repeat propaganda do indeed make you a genocide apologist. You’re better off saying nothing.

You failed to acknowledge any other point made. You dodge discussion. You will win exactly zero arguments with other people, but damnit, you're right and your righteous anger is all that matters.

Your points are nonsequitors and completely biased in favor of Israel. I don’t need to address them.

And I don’t care about winning arguments, I care about calling out lies and propaganda that are helping facilitate a genocide.

>And I don’t care about winning arguments, I care about calling out lies and propaganda

They are one in the same, and you will fail at your stated objective as long as you think otherwise.

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I was trying to drive home the point that knowing you're right and convincing people you're right are two different things. I didn't mean to be disrespectful when I typed it.

I'll take a break from current event commentary for a day.

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Also: your account has been posting exclusively about this one topic for months now Single-purpose accounts aren't allowed on HN; neither are accounts using the site primarily for political battle. This is also in the site guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html. We have to ban such accounts, regardless of what they're battling for or against, because they destroy HN for its intended purpose. If you don't want to be banned on HN, please stick to the intended use of the site. That means this: a certain amount of commenting about divisive topics is ok, as long as you stick within the site guidelines; but if it becomes the primary use of the account, that's not ok.

Sorry dang, but it’s a genocide. And this site continually allows people to post propaganda uncritically and deny or justify that the genocide is happening.

Pretty much all my posts are replies to those people. I’d rather not have to post about it so much, but it’s clear this site and its methods of moderation are not equipped to handle such an important topic.

Anywho, I’ll refrain from single topic posting. Can you give me the accepted posting ratio for tech to divisive topics? Thanks.

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No they haven’t.

This isn't worthy of a flame war, but we'll just note what you're telegraphing to us here: Namely your view that the basic situation with the current blockade of food and humanitarian supplies into Gaza is a matter of people being deprived of "nice things", as you say.

Either that, or that the people concerned about the blockade (and the bombings, and you know, those awful trenches full of bodies and stuff) are just whiny that they can't have "nice things" -- like a world without blatant genocides happening in the open for all to watch, with the support of major Western governments.

It turned into a flame war. Also settle down, donating to people in need is a nice thing, it’s not that complicated.

I fed a troll by mistake. My bad.

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