Re:Boeing missing key elements of safety culture: FAA report
by hinkley on Tuesday February 27, 2024 @11:02AM
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When a punishment is applied with more deliberation, it can also be more severe.
Re:Boeing missing key elements of safety culture: FAA report
by wolverine876 on Tuesday February 27, 2024 @04:05PM
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Why is severity desirable? Or if it's not desirable, so what?
Re:Boeing missing key elements of safety culture: FAA report
by sokoloff on Tuesday February 27, 2024 @04:43PM
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Severity is desirable iff it's justified. I wouldn't ever sign off on a policy that says "you'll be fired for a single mistake" (that would be a severity of punishment out of proportion to the risk/underperformance).
But a policy that never provided for the possibility of termination (insufficient maximum severity) is also not desirable.
Re:Boeing missing key elements of safety culture: FAA report
by wolverine876 on Tuesday February 27, 2024 @04:48PM
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> Severity is desirable iff it's justified.
It's necessary if it's (necessary & efficient & justified); it's never desirable IMHO.
Doing severe things because they are justified is just acting out on a desire or drive - internal anger - but now we can 'justify' the target and feel ok about it. Lynch mobs think they are justified.
Re:Boeing missing key elements of safety culture: FAA report
by sokoloff on Wednesday February 28, 2024 @09:03AM
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Designing severe things to be included as part of a process is a desirable property of that system if the severe thing is sometimes required.
No one is designing a formal system that includes lunch mobs. But a formal system of repercussions for employee behavior that does not include firing is an incomplete system.
Itβs not that firing itself is ever desirable, but rather that its inclusion in a disciplinary progression is desirable.
In fact, Just Culture in itself provides the justification for this. As the next line says "However, those who act recklessly or take deliberate and unjustifiable risks will still be subject to disciplinary action". A person who repeated makes mistakes is an unjustifiable risk.