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Re:Punk is dead and so are we by RangerScience on Monday February 26, 2024 @11:32AM (#39513285)
> traditionally moral

Having traditional morals isn't the same as being moral.

Source: Hm... 6, maybe more, different friends who grew up in different versions of these communities, each of whom describes them as "dangerous cults".

Re:Punk is dead and so are we by s1artibartfast on Monday February 26, 2024 @02:45PM (#39515975)
Being labeled as dangerous is a strong argument that they are counter cultures.

If you are accepted by the mainstream, you aren't counter culture, just a flavor.

Counterculture isn't necessarily cool or good or safe.