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Re:Let's Ban SMS 2FA by LorenDB on Sunday February 25, 2024 @10:59PM (#39507493)
Author here - yes, I agree that SMS 2FA is much better than nothing, but let's be honest, implementing and using actually secure 2FA is a lot easier than installing a vault door on your home. When the barrier to adoption and inconvenience to the user is so low, there's no reason to not adopt better 2FA methods.
Re:Let's Ban SMS 2FA by pcloadletter_ on Sunday February 25, 2024 @11:04PM (#39507531)
>When the barrier to adoption and inconvenience to the user is so low

Is it low though? I'm not sure my parents could figure out how to use an authenticator app.

Re:Let's Ban SMS 2FA by c22 on Sunday February 25, 2024 @11:11PM (#39507584)
I've noticed that for sites I visit rarely there will be some sort of drift from the auth app and I'm often forced to use a backup code.

I'd rather just have a whole list of allowable factors and the opportunity to configure one or more of them depending on my personal risk tolerance.

Re:Let's Ban SMS 2FA by ants_everywhere on Sunday February 25, 2024 @11:46PM (#39507781)
Really though? I get maybe being confused the first time they used it, but you really think they couldn't figure it out?

An authenticator app just has the codes and the sites. SMS has the codes, all the previous codes, all of your other SMSs. Plus the messages come from a 5 digit phone number that has a similar format to the 6-digit code you're supposed to enter. The whole system is byzantine IMO and the authenticator app has a much simpler flow. But, you know, I recognize that not everyone may experience it the same way.

I'm generally curious if people think there's a simplicity to the SMS approach other than just familiarity with something that's awkward.

The real problem IMO is not that it's hard to use an authenticator app, it's that the authenticator app provides an actual secret. There's less of a backdoor, so customers can lock themselves out. The downside of the backdoor is it's a security risk. The upside is that managing private keys is a nightmare and nobody wants to force their customers to actually manage private keys.

Re:Let's Ban SMS 2FA by dtx1 on Sunday February 25, 2024 @11:12PM (#39507588)
Then your Patents should not be near any account that should reasonably require 2FA. They are perfect prey for scammers.
Re:Let's Ban SMS 2FA by panarky on Monday February 26, 2024 @12:04AM (#39507859)
> much better than nothing

If you wouldn't advocate banning deadbolt locks just because vault doors are better, why advocate banning SMS 2FA?

Re:Let's Ban SMS 2FA by nullc on Monday February 26, 2024 @08:04PM (#39518796)
One reason to ban 2FA SMS is because end users take on most of the cost of a compromise, but they are generally pretty poweless to prevent others from creating the vulnerability, particularly where the party requiring the SMS 2fa is a government or government contractor.

I don't know that I'd go so far as saying that a ban is the right thing, but something is needed.

Re:Let's Ban SMS 2FA by mxchris2121 on Sunday February 25, 2024 @11:05PM (#39507537)
One of my coworkers (at a social services agency) was the victim of a sim swap. If it can happen to her it can happen to anyone. They gained access to her bank accounts, all her email, as well as PayPal and Venmo. She ended up switching phone providers.
Re:Let's Ban SMS 2FA by jimberlage on Sunday February 25, 2024 @11:06PM (#39507545)
Yes, and sometimes even locked houses are broken into.
Re:Let's Ban SMS 2FA by jimberlage on Sunday February 25, 2024 @11:13PM (#39507594)
Out of curiosity - do you think that difficulty of installation is what keeps people from installing a vault door on their home?

I imagine even if it were easier, you would see low adoption, because “I’ve never been robbed but I have locked myself out, does this mean I can’t call a locksmith anymore?” Would be top of people’s minds.

Re:Let's Ban SMS 2FA by seliopou on Sunday February 25, 2024 @11:04PM (#39507532)
Tell that to my retirement-age mother.