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Re:Google helped destroy adoption of RSS feeds (2023) by puttycat on Saturday February 24, 2024 @02:23PM (#39494382)
Feedly is indeed great, I just wish they'd stop trying to add AI and automated topic highlighting which clearly doesn't work.
Re:Google helped destroy adoption of RSS feeds (2023) by jseliger on Saturday February 24, 2024 @02:30PM (#39494453)
I just wish they'd stop trying to add AI and automated topic highlighting which clearly doesn't work.

A bunch of companies are also doing or attempting to do AI and automated trial finding for clinical trials, and that's not working either: https://bessstillman.substack.com/p/please-be-dying-but-not-.... Fortunately, the stakes are low, since patients who don't find the right clinical trial for cancers will only die.

Re:Google helped destroy adoption of RSS feeds (2023) by orzig on Saturday February 24, 2024 @05:51PM (#39495871)
Do you think the solution is better software, or is real blocker on the business/policy/cultural/incentives side? Inspired by that series I looked into building a better front end for clinical trials.gov but after seeing a few organizations try similar approaches without (yet) nailing it, I became convinced that I’d become one more classic naive-technologist story.

But have the existing approaches really missed a low hanging solution, even if it’s partial and maybe impossible to monetize?

Re:Google helped destroy adoption of RSS feeds (2023) by nerdjon on Saturday February 24, 2024 @02:57PM (#39494661)
Feedly seems like a company that is trying anything that will stick to get people to subscribe without getting rid of their free offering.

Their free plan is likely enough for most people. I know for me none of those features matter.

Especially since I just never log into Feedly themselves. I just use the Reeder app as my frontend and have gone a couple years without logging in. I also just don't change my actual feeds much.

Re:Google helped destroy adoption of RSS feeds (2023) by IgorPartola on Saturday February 24, 2024 @04:57PM (#39495474)
This is a great example of a business built on what should not really be a business. There are certain types of things that are fundamental to the internet, and trying to sell a premium version of that is always an uphill battle.

Imagine that in 2024 I tried to sell you a web browser. One that maybe has a slightly cleaner UI or some fancy plugin system but ultimately is just a plain old browser. Maybe some very small percentage of people would pay for it, but most are entirely happy with the free and FOSS choices available since the core features of a browser are standard.

RSS by all means should be similar: just like ping, cat, sh, browsers, email clients, video players, etc. the core features are well defined and an open source project should be the default choice. If you want something fancy or proprietary then sure you should be free to pay for it. But I can’t imagine wanting to build a company that pays salaries around any of this.

There are situations where a person or a team of 2-3 can make a lifestyle business out of selling something that I have seen referred to as “legacy software” (this doesn’t mean old, but rather fundamental and “boring”, aka the Linux kernel). But Feedly competes with its own free product and cannot see the forest for the trees.

Re:Google helped destroy adoption of RSS feeds (2023) by heresie-dabord on Saturday February 24, 2024 @06:19PM (#39496045)
> RSS by all means should be similar: just like ping, cat, sh,

I must say that reading an RSS feed is as simple as this:

wget "myURL" -O - | python3 -c ' import sys import xml.etree.ElementTree as et tree = et.fromstring(sys.stdin.read()) for el in tree.findall("./channel/item"): print(el.find("title").text)'

But the other applications that you mention are not simple applications:

> browsers, email clients, video players, etc. the core features are well defined and an open source project should be the default choice.

[1] _ Sample URL: "https://www.tomshardware.com/feeds/all"

Re:Google helped destroy adoption of RSS feeds (2023) by mtrower on Saturday February 24, 2024 @09:30PM (#39497073)
Honestly I struggle to think of a more complicated program than a modern browser that expects to fully support the existing web.
Re:Google helped destroy adoption of RSS feeds (2023) by nerdjon on Saturday February 24, 2024 @08:46PM (#39496846)
While I get where you are going with open source project being the default choice, I don't think it fits the example here.

Feedly, like Google Reader, for me is nothing but a server. It's the same reason I pay for my email, iCloud, and similar services. I am paying for them to store data, run some service, or similar for me.

Even if I went the open source route I would still want a server that is doing the fetching for me. A central place to keep things in sync between multiple devices and to cut down on the data usage when on my phone. That server costs money to run. Either I am running that server myself (and taking on the Maintence of it) or I pay a service like Feedly.

While I agree that Feedly's way of monetization is likely wrong when they could have just run the route of $5 a month and that's it. Nothing fancy, it fetches and thats it. That could be a perfectly sustainable business model.

Edit:

Also I really think we should re-examine "open source should be the default" when the vast majority of open source projects are not at the polish of something like Chromium.

Most average (non technical) consumers are not really going to accept what a lot of open source's experience is. See gimp and open office compared to Photoshop and Microsoft Office.

Re:Google helped destroy adoption of RSS feeds (2023) by jonathankoren on Saturday February 24, 2024 @09:02PM (#39496925)
The wild thing is, that’s almost exactly what Netscape was doing back in mid and late 90s. I think the commercial versions (ie the one you bought in a box at Babbage’s or Electronic Boutique), had an HTML editor, and some more integrated file types. I don’t really remember. I never bought it, because the free beta version was enough.
Re:Google helped destroy adoption of RSS feeds (2023) by smsm42 on Saturday February 24, 2024 @02:44PM (#39494571)
Yeah their AI efforts are weird. It's like they are ashamed of "just" making an excellent product for rss, and want to do something special but nothing useful, at least for me, came out of it do far. TBH, I'm ok with them just being an excellent rss reader and will keep paying for it.
Re:Google helped destroy adoption of RSS feeds (2023) by nirav72 on Saturday February 24, 2024 @02:56PM (#39494654)
I think they're adding lot of these features as incentives to entice users to switch to their subscription service. Not sure what percentage of their users pay for the subscription.
Re:Google helped destroy adoption of RSS feeds (2023) by smsm42 on Saturday February 24, 2024 @03:44PM (#39495013)
I actually signed up for AI enabled plan out of curiosity (I had non AI subscription for years prior). Had to downgrade back because it was too annoying and I couldn't figure out how to make it stop completely. Whoever inside the company is pushing this is not doing them a service.
Re:Google helped destroy adoption of RSS feeds (2023) by stanislavb on Saturday February 24, 2024 @02:38PM (#39494509)
Have you tried Lenna.io? I’d guess no, but it could regard some of the pains. (Disclosure - a product I work on)
Re:Google helped destroy adoption of RSS feeds (2023) by stavros on Saturday February 24, 2024 @06:07PM (#39495970)
I'd guess no too, since there's no site at that domain.
Re:Google helped destroy adoption of RSS feeds (2023) by maxglute on Sunday February 25, 2024 @01:36AM (#39498250)
It works alright, and TBH it's time RSS readers moved PAST google reader and add more useful features. Deduplciation, AI summarization etc. Stuff that helps manage RSS for those with lots of feeds, as one is likely to accumulate over time.
Re:Google helped destroy adoption of RSS feeds (2023) by archon810 on Sunday February 25, 2024 @12:29PM (#39502705)
Feedly is great, but it baffles me it still doesn't support notifications on Android. It's strictly pull, and I'm now used to push.
Re:Google helped destroy adoption of RSS feeds (2023) by woleium on Thursday February 29, 2024 @12:04AM (#39546546)
this is what made me switch to innoreader