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Re:U.S. to Invest Billions to Replace China-Made Cranes at N... by throwaway4good on Friday February 23, 2024 @02:32AM (#39477892)
Of course it is; and it also breaks the US' WTO obligations.
Re:U.S. to Invest Billions to Replace China-Made Cranes at N... by yorwba on Friday February 23, 2024 @04:24AM (#39478609)
It doesn't break WTO obligations any more than China's list of restricted sectors limiting foreign investment does: http://images.mofcom.gov.cn/www/202112/20211227175520952.pdf

No country would join the WTO if it required them to give up control of critical infrastructure.

Re:U.S. to Invest Billions to Replace China-Made Cranes at N... by DiogenesKynikos on Friday February 23, 2024 @06:11AM (#39479231)
I'm fairly certain that China's sector-based foreign investment restrictions were allowed in its WTO accession agreement.
Re:U.S. to Invest Billions to Replace China-Made Cranes at N... by mnau on Friday February 23, 2024 @05:19AM (#39478960)
Whataboutism.
Re:U.S. to Invest Billions to Replace China-Made Cranes at N... by audunw on Friday February 23, 2024 @06:00AM (#39479172)
Pointing to another country’s human rights issues to distract from your own can be whataboutism. Everyone should strive to implement human rights regardless of what anyone else is doing.

Deciding not to strictly follow a trade agreement when the other party of that agreement is doing it all can to avoid the spirit and letter of the agreement is not whataboutism. That’s just a reasonable response.

Re:U.S. to Invest Billions to Replace China-Made Cranes at N... by yorwba on Friday February 23, 2024 @06:21AM (#39479287)
My point was that WTO membership doesn't require countries to compromise their security. Neither the US nor China are violating the spirit or the letter of the WTO Agreement by placing national security restrictions on sectors they consider critical.

(Article XXI on security exceptions: https://www.wto.org/english/res_e/booksp_e/gatt_ai_e/art21_e... )

Re:U.S. to Invest Billions to Replace China-Made Cranes at N... by mnau on Friday February 23, 2024 @09:05AM (#39480688)
It's still the good old "but he does it too, so it's fine that I do it"

No, it's not.

We moved past that so we have an (in theory) independent arbiter, in this case WTO.

Re:U.S. to Invest Billions to Replace China-Made Cranes at N... by DiogenesKynikos on Friday February 23, 2024 @11:02AM (#39482264)
> when the other party of that agreement is doing it all can to avoid the spirit and letter of the agreement

I hear this claim often about China (particularly from Americans), but I think it's very far from being true.

China underwent massive, extremely painful reforms in order to join the WTO, on a scale that would be difficult for most Americans to imagine. For example, China basically built an entire intellectual property legal system from scratch. Or another example: China split up numerous large state-owned enterprises and forced the resulting companies to operate on a for-profit basis, which meant that tens of millions of workers lost their jobs and many more lost benefits.

I think most of the exaggerated statements about China not caring about WTO rules stem from a basic misunderstanding both of how the Chinese economy works and what WTO rules require.

Re:U.S. to Invest Billions to Replace China-Made Cranes at N... by Akronymus on Friday February 23, 2024 @04:16AM (#39478565)
Oh, could you elaborate on which obligations it breaks? I am not well versed with them.
Re:U.S. to Invest Billions to Replace China-Made Cranes at N... by throwaway4good on Friday February 23, 2024 @05:20AM (#39478968)
Of course this has not gone to courts yet but it seems similar to what the US did on steel - claiming national security and then deliberately stuffing the Arbitration process when the first court ruled against it.
Re:U.S. to Invest Billions to Replace China-Made Cranes at N... by dragonelite on Friday February 23, 2024 @03:19AM (#39478183)
Rules Based International Order, the rules just changed half way the game.
Re:U.S. to Invest Billions to Replace China-Made Cranes at N... by lotsofpulp on Friday February 23, 2024 @04:25AM (#39478616)
The first rule is always might makes right.
Re:U.S. to Invest Billions to Replace China-Made Cranes at N... by shapefrog on Friday February 23, 2024 @04:02AM (#39478468)
The rules are clear. There is one set for them and one set for us, we are afterall The Good Guys (tm)