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Re:Eclipse viewing at 30k feet: Delta to offer path-of-total... by goda90 on Thursday February 22, 2024 @08:54AM (#39467088)
If you can be on the ground in the path of totality, I highly recommend it. Especially go someplace with more nature. The birds and bugs will change their behavior as totality happens. Very cool experience that really tickles basic human instincts.
Re:Eclipse viewing at 30k feet: Delta to offer path-of-total... by inanutshellus on Thursday February 22, 2024 @10:51AM (#39468875)
Dogpiling on this. 100% totality in an empty field is change-your-life cool.

Not the roof of a building. Not 99% totality. And don't miss it.

Everyone that stayed in town for the 2017 eclipse barely remembers it today.

Those of us in a rural area of 100% totality thought it was magic. Pure, real, magic.

Go into a field. Bring some friends. Let yourself feel awe. You won't see it again in the USA for twenty years, so... now's the time.

Re:Eclipse viewing at 30k feet: Delta to offer path-of-total... by roughly on Thursday February 22, 2024 @11:51AM (#39469737)
I am as modern and jaded as the next person, but yes, absolutely - if you can be in the 100% totality, get there. It is incomparably awe-inspiring - it is immediately apparent why this sort of thing was seen as an omen from the gods to be respected. You will feel small.
Re:Eclipse viewing at 30k feet: Delta to offer path-of-total... by ethanbond on Thursday February 22, 2024 @05:55PM (#39474501)
Agreed. I just had this overwhelming sense of powerlessness. It’s the only time in my life I have felt the fact that we’re just standing on a rock hurdling through space.

It is a mind-boggling experience.

Re:Eclipse viewing at 30k feet: Delta to offer path-of-total... by davely on Thursday February 22, 2024 @12:36PM (#39470368)
Agreed! Last eclipse turned me into an umbraphile. I’ve had friends since the 2017 American eclipse say things like “I’m in an area with ~80% - 90% of totality.”

It literally isn’t the same thing at all. The moment of totality is just unreal and has me wanting to chase total eclipses.

Awhile back, I argued to our school district to move spring break for 2024 in order for families to potentially travel for this year’s total eclipse (I live in California), but they wouldn’t consider it. Sadly, I’ll miss it this year.

Also, think for a moment how crazy this is: our moon is exactly the right size to cover the sun exactly (coupled with being exactly far enough away) that we can see this beautiful ring of fire with flares emanating from the sides during the moment of totality.

Re:Eclipse viewing at 30k feet: Delta to offer path-of-total... by radicaldreamer on Thursday February 22, 2024 @01:13PM (#39470886)
Absolutely, we saw the eclipse in rural oregon, near Bend, and it was life changing. I still remember the moment quite vividly and I totally got why people chase eclipses all around the world.
Re:Eclipse viewing at 30k feet: Delta to offer path-of-total... by munificent on Thursday February 22, 2024 @01:48PM (#39471318)
> “I’m in an area with ~80% - 90% of totality.”

That's like being 90% of the way to the ocean versus swimming in the ocean.

Re:Eclipse viewing at 30k feet: Delta to offer path-of-total... by adriand on Thursday February 22, 2024 @01:26PM (#39471056)
So our local school board is closing schools for the day - but check out how they communicated it:

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On Monday, April 8, a total solar eclipse will cross North America, passing over southern Ontario. The City of Hamilton is expected to experience a deep partial solar eclipse, with the timing of this event presenting a concern for school dismissal. The solar eclipse will begin at approximately 2 p.m. and end around 4:30 p.m.

A total solar eclipse happens when the moon passes between the sun and earth, completely blocking the face of the sun. The sky will darken as if it were dawn or dusk. These events can pose potential risks and severe damage to eyesight if proper precautions are not taken. Viewing the sun directly during an eclipse can permanently damage the retina's light-sensitive cells.

In addition to the physical risks associated with directly viewing the solar eclipse, a period of increased darkness will occur. The peak period of darkness (referred to as the mid-eclipse) will occur at approximately 3:20 p.m. This aspect of the eclipse can present safety concerns for students, staff and families during dismissal time.

Hamilton Public Health Services (HPHS) understands that there are significant risks associated with the unprotected viewing of the solar eclipse and is supportive of HWDSB’s desire to mitigate potential risks. Shifting the P.A. Day is a proactive measure to support the safety and well-being of students, staff and families.

HPHS is working with HWDSB to provide information for families and staff regarding safety considerations. These resources will be shared closer to the P.A. Day on Monday, April 8.

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I sent them a letter in response:

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I fully support changing the PA Day so that children have a once-in-a-generation, highly educational opportunity to view this incredible celestial event. Describing it as risky and dangerous is just plain weird! There are plenty of dangerous natural phenomena (e.g. the lake that we happen to be situated next to, in which many people drown each year), but rather than frighten people, we educate them on how to safely enjoy them. This is an incredible opportunity to teach kids about solar cycles, space, etc., and something we should all be excited about.

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I didn't a response. I'm still completely baffled by this!

Re:Eclipse viewing at 30k feet: Delta to offer path-of-total... by ethanbond on Thursday February 22, 2024 @05:54PM (#39474485)
Wow that is fucked up. You should go travel into the path of totality with your kid, if it’s an option at all.

It is worth crossing continents for.

Re:Eclipse viewing at 30k feet: Delta to offer path-of-total... by adriand on Thursday February 22, 2024 @08:59PM (#39475979)
My house is in the path! It goes right over my hometown. I have plans. ;)
Re:Eclipse viewing at 30k feet: Delta to offer path-of-total... by AnimalMuppet on Thursday February 22, 2024 @01:33PM (#39471146)
I'd consider taking kids out of school for a few days.
Re:Eclipse viewing at 30k feet: Delta to offer path-of-total... by MobileVet on Thursday February 22, 2024 @01:41PM (#39471232)
My parents home is almost directly in the very center of the totality. The kids will miss that day and the next as we drive 10 hours back home. Definitely looking forward to it and glad they are in grade school so there is no concern about the trade offs of their school assignments to the experience.
Re:Eclipse viewing at 30k feet: Delta to offer path-of-total... by inanutshellus on Friday February 23, 2024 @03:31PM (#39485723)
Be prepared for an avalanche of traffic getting home.

If it's like 2017, traffic out of totality regions will be very, very memorable. :\

Re:Eclipse viewing at 30k feet: Delta to offer path-of-total... by davidcuddeback on Thursday February 22, 2024 @09:32PM (#39476257)
I am taking kids out of school for a few days and driving 13 hours to a cabin that I rented on a lake on the centerline. It helps that my 40th birthday is within a couple days of the eclipse.
Re:Eclipse viewing at 30k feet: Delta to offer path-of-total... by bensherman on Thursday February 22, 2024 @05:47PM (#39474411)
The best metaphor for totality that I read:

Seeing an eclipse is like flying in an airplane. Seeing it in totality is like jumping out of one.

Re:Eclipse viewing at 30k feet: Delta to offer path-of-total... by ethbr1 on Thursday February 22, 2024 @11:29AM (#39469462)
Also, bring a jacket or sweater. It's surprising how chilly it suddenly gets when you're suddenly no longer in the warm embrace of our star.
Re:Eclipse viewing at 30k feet: Delta to offer path-of-total... by inanutshellus on Thursday February 22, 2024 @11:48AM (#39469690)
Do or ... don't! Perhaps there's value in feeling the world around you change so quickly, even when it's uncomfortable. Allowing that discomfort may help anchor the memory as novel for those newbies you sneakily didn't tell to bring a sweater. ;-)
Re:Eclipse viewing at 30k feet: Delta to offer path-of-total... by ethbr1 on Thursday February 22, 2024 @11:56AM (#39469804)
If I make it to the path this year, I'm definitely bringing an instant read thermometer. I'm curious what the actual drop in temp is!
Re:Eclipse viewing at 30k feet: Delta to offer path-of-total... by russdill on Thursday February 22, 2024 @11:47AM (#39469674)
The last one I did on a butte, even more highly recommended, being able to see far out in the distance in every direction during an eclipse is mind blowing. I can't imaging having to experience it through a tiny airplane window.
Re:Eclipse viewing at 30k feet: Delta to offer path-of-total... by legitster on Thursday February 22, 2024 @12:37PM (#39470380)
I am thoroughly disappointed by my friends who said "97% is enough" and didn't bother making a 2 hour drive to experience actual totality.

Even at "99.9%" you get to see the sun's corona for 0% of your life.

Re:Eclipse viewing at 30k feet: Delta to offer path-of-total... by ethanbond on Thursday February 22, 2024 @05:57PM (#39474514)
It is quite literally a night and day difference.

99% you’re in daytime. 100% you’re in nighttime.

Re:Eclipse viewing at 30k feet: Delta to offer path-of-total... by adamsilkey on Thursday February 22, 2024 @11:55AM (#39469800)
Can you describe what it was like? What made it so cool?
Re:Eclipse viewing at 30k feet: Delta to offer path-of-total... by legitster on Thursday February 22, 2024 @12:33PM (#39470325)
First there is the experience of watching the darkness descend on you. It's like you can see a wall of it coming at you from a distance.

But viewing the corona of the sun... wow! I cannot begin to describe how cool that is. You don't get to see it in 99% totality. Only when the sun is completely blocked from space. It's remarkable and beautiful and impossible to capture the light on camera and you only get to see if for maybe a couple of minutes in your life.

Re:Eclipse viewing at 30k feet: Delta to offer path-of-total... by crazygringo on Thursday February 22, 2024 @01:20PM (#39470977)
I'm curious which of these images you'd say it looks like the most?

https://www.google.com/search?q=sun+corona+during+solar+ecli...

With things like this it's always so impossible to tell if everybody is altering the brightness and so forth.

Re:Eclipse viewing at 30k feet: Delta to offer path-of-total... by legitster on Thursday February 22, 2024 @01:35PM (#39471166)
Maybe this one? https://preview.redd.it/8gl2vdhvwzyz.jpg?width=1080&crop=sma...

It's entirely a natural lighting spectacle, so it's hard to capture the size and dynamic range on an LCD screen.

The pictures make it look like some sort of lens flare, but it looks nothing like that in real life. You can actually see the vapory tendrils of the suns' plasma making stringy loops around the sun in the pattern of the magnetic waves. There's a lot of detail.

This does a better job of showing the detail: https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fi... But you can tell they had to crank up the exposure because the space doesn't look nearly as black in this one.

Again, it's something you have to see for yourself. If you lived an entire life in a cave, me showing pictures of the sun would not have the same effect as actually feeling the light.

I was a skeptic when I went to the 2017 one. I've booked flights to go see next month's.

Re:Eclipse viewing at 30k feet: Delta to offer path-of-total... by munificent on Thursday February 22, 2024 @01:50PM (#39471343)
I had always assumed that corona photos like this are heavily processed in order to maximize the effect and that seeing one in real life would be more like "Eh, there's a sort of little ring thing in the sky."

Nope. During totality, the whole sky goes dark and you look up and there's a fucking ring of fire in the sky.

It looks exactly like these photos, just sitting there up in the sky. It feels like you got teleported to another solar system onto the surface of an alien planet.

Re:Eclipse viewing at 30k feet: Delta to offer path-of-total... by ethanbond on Thursday February 22, 2024 @05:58PM (#39474521)
Same exact expectation and same exact violation of my expectations. It actually looks like that. In the sky. Huge.
Re:Eclipse viewing at 30k feet: Delta to offer path-of-total... by munificent on Friday February 23, 2024 @01:10PM (#39484098)
Totally. The second I experienced totality, I instantly understood how it would have been a religious, cosmic experience for early humans who didn't have a scientific understanding of what's going on.

Imagine just going about your day as normal and all of a sudden the sun does that.

Re:Eclipse viewing at 30k feet: Delta to offer path-of-total... by dghlsakjg on Thursday February 22, 2024 @06:24PM (#39474772)
Seeing it is amazing, some of the photos are better than what you can see with your naked eye.

The feeling though, is very hard to convey. Everyone I was with confirmed that they felt it. Very primal to me. It was clear that my body (and the natural world around me) was unsettled or could tell that something was disrupted.

I'm not a "vibes" person, but for sure this was felt.

Re:Eclipse viewing at 30k feet: Delta to offer path-of-total... by wing-_-nuts on Thursday February 22, 2024 @01:59PM (#39471453)
>Those of us in a rural area of 100% totality thought it was magic. Pure, real, magic.

Hell, I saw it at a library in small town SC and it was still primal and surreal. The birds got quiet, the crickets started chirping. You really felt a direct link back to prehistory and you understood why it affected ancient people the way it did. There a small, tickling sense in the back of your mind that what you're seeing is profoundly wrong. The closest I can describe it is low grade existential terror, in the biblical sense of awe.

Re:Eclipse viewing at 30k feet: Delta to offer path-of-total... by crazygringo on Thursday February 22, 2024 @02:26PM (#39471785)
Can you explain the difference more?

Is it about light pollution? About being somewhere quiet? Is it about a field specifically or about being away from road traffic? Like is a park OK? Is the beach OK?

Or is it mainly just being in 100% and you usually have to go somewhere rural for that because statistically it doesn't pass directly over major cities?

Re:Eclipse viewing at 30k feet: Delta to offer path-of-total... by Symbiote on Thursday February 22, 2024 @04:32PM (#39473559)
I saw this eclipse in 1999, from England: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_eclipse_of_August_11,_19...

We were within the area of total eclipse, but as you can see from the map, there wasn't much area to choose from. Other than the towns and cities on the coast it counts as rural for England. (Plymouth is largest, 300k people; eclipses certainly do pass over cities.)

We stood on a hill, along with probably 30 other people who'd chosen the same place, just above a village. It went completely dark, and quiet (except for the people), the street lights on a road in the distance came on. We could see sunlight far to the north and south, yet ourselves were in near-total darkness (like overnight twilight at high latitudes).

Then it started to get light again, and the birds starting singing. It was mostly overcast, but with some glimpses of the occluded sun at every stage of the eclipse.

It wasn't a profound and spiritual experience, but it is one of the things I remember clearly from several holidays to that part of England with my family. Maybe being alone would make it different — there'd have been no-one else saying "isn't this amazing!" to their children. But more realistically, English families on holiday aren't looking for profound and spiritual experiences, we leave that to the Americans.

We couldn't see the corona, due to the clouds. Maybe that's important.

I think being on a small hill helped, and not being within an urban area.

Re:Eclipse viewing at 30k feet: Delta to offer path-of-total... by crazygringo on Thursday February 22, 2024 @05:46PM (#39474398)
> But more realistically, English families on holiday aren't looking for profound and spiritual experiences, we leave that to the Americans.

You got such a laugh out of me there! True words.

Thanks for the details.

Re:Eclipse viewing at 30k feet: Delta to offer path-of-total... by inanutshellus on Friday February 23, 2024 @03:43PM (#39485853)
Rural areas' cricket population adds to the experience, but if you have to choose between rural and totality, choose totality.

It goes from quiet sunny day, to an insect rock concert, and back again. And if you're outside, you feel the temperature plummet, adding to the experience. All in under 4 minutes.

In the city you'll likely still hear some of that, so... whichever you do, it'll be great.

Re:Eclipse viewing at 30k feet: Delta to offer path-of-total... by mcint on Thursday February 22, 2024 @02:30PM (#39471852)
Temperature drop, and shift of wind too. Amazing to experience the solar radiation difference directly. And the brightest stars, and planets, coming out.
Re:Eclipse viewing at 30k feet: Delta to offer path-of-total... by dghlsakjg on Thursday February 22, 2024 @06:20PM (#39474735)
Yup.

I was standing in a farmer's field next to a bunch of beehives, and the change was palpable.

I can't even put the feeling into words. Not just seeing the sun, but the feeling of the entire environment was just wild.

Re:Eclipse viewing at 30k feet: Delta to offer path-of-total... by Workaccount2 on Thursday February 22, 2024 @10:33AM (#39468598)
I want to emphasize that 100% totality is key.

It's not a linear "eclipesness" where 99 or 95% is close enough.

It's a binary 100% or not experience. Even 1% sunlight is enough to wash out the entire experience and you must keep the glasses on the whole time. At 100% you can take them off, and see the most incredible sight you might ever see.

Re:Eclipse viewing at 30k feet: Delta to offer path-of-total... by nlh on Thursday February 22, 2024 @11:50AM (#39469724)
I will also dogpile on this and add my own experience and enthusiastic agreement - 100% totality in a big open field is absolutely mind-blowing cool.

Some friends and I did this for the 2017 eclipse in Nashville. We drove 30 minutes north and happened across a huge group of nerds in a big green park and the moment of totality was absolutely bonkers.

It gets true twilight dark, the birds and crickets start going wild, and you see this glowing reddish sunset color perfectly evenly along the base of the horizon. That part was the most fascinating to me, because I realized that comes from the diffraction (diffusion?) of the light from above and all around, and NOT from the “edge of the sun below the horizon” as we all kinda assumed.

(Note I am likely very materially wrong about that explanation so I’d love to be properly corrected.)

Anyway, regardless, go experience 100% totality on the ground!

Re:Eclipse viewing at 30k feet: Delta to offer path-of-total... by sokoloff on Thursday February 22, 2024 @09:45AM (#39467820)
Adding on to this, I'd recommend getting to totality and not thinking "99% occlusion is probably 99% as good."

For the 2017 one, we went to a field about 100 miles from where we were staying and compared our experience to our hosts who stayed behind because of cloud cover forecast for the day. Clouds cleared for both of us, but from the discussions, it was worth going that 100 miles.

Re:Eclipse viewing at 30k feet: Delta to offer path-of-total... by noSyncCloud on Thursday February 22, 2024 @11:13AM (#39469219)
99% totality is 1% of the experience.
Re:Eclipse viewing at 30k feet: Delta to offer path-of-total... by gavinhoward on Thursday February 22, 2024 @11:12AM (#39469218)
Absolutely. 100% is the way to go.

In fact, I have a relative whose rural house was in the path of totality for 2017, but it was not centered on the path. That relative and I went to her friend's rural house on the centerline.

It was by a field too, and yes, the animals went weird.

If you're going to do it, go whole hog.

Re:Eclipse viewing at 30k feet: Delta to offer path-of-total... by incanus77 on Thursday February 22, 2024 @11:57AM (#39469818)
Another vote for 100% if possible. I drove my camper van from Portland to national forest land in eastern Oregon (largely desert and open land) for the 2017 total eclipse. From the cast of the light, to the birds, to the way my dog started getting ready for bed at nine in the morning, to the whoop I heard across the canyon from someone else watching, it was life-changing. Such a special event. Anyone I talk to who stayed in town and got the ~99% treats it like any other day.
Re:Eclipse viewing at 30k feet: Delta to offer path-of-total... by ericbarrett on Thursday February 22, 2024 @10:18AM (#39468328)
Seconded! Also check out a complex shadow (like that of a bush) just before or after totality. The camera obscura effect will generate many images of the eclipse crescent, it's really uncanny.
Re:Eclipse viewing at 30k feet: Delta to offer path-of-total... by roughly on Thursday February 22, 2024 @11:53AM (#39469765)
Yes! This was absolutely surreal - one of those weird little things that all of the sudden your animal brain is pegging as "Something's amiss." Really helped the build-up to the totality.
Re:Eclipse viewing at 30k feet: Delta to offer path-of-total... by skinner927 on Thursday February 22, 2024 @09:25AM (#39467513)
The birds and the bugs were undoubtably the most unexpected part of the whole experience. I think about it often actually, haha.
Re:Eclipse viewing at 30k feet: Delta to offer path-of-total... by ta1243 on Thursday February 22, 2024 @10:13AM (#39468272)
Had that in 1999 in the UK, despite the complete overcast sky, it still went dark, and the birds and bugs still did stuff, and there was a general feeling of "something is wrong"
Re:Eclipse viewing at 30k feet: Delta to offer path-of-total... by itronitron on Thursday February 22, 2024 @11:41AM (#39469598)
And bring a jacket, because the drop in temperature is remarkable.
Re:Eclipse viewing at 30k feet: Delta to offer path-of-total... by adamsilkey on Thursday February 22, 2024 @11:52AM (#39469758)
Can you describe what that was like?
Re:Eclipse viewing at 30k feet: Delta to offer path-of-total... by dwighttk on Thursday February 22, 2024 @11:30AM (#39469474)
My favorite part was dusk/dawn (like) on the entire horizon
Re:Eclipse viewing at 30k feet: Delta to offer path-of-total... by SoftTalker on Thursday February 22, 2024 @12:42PM (#39470444)
I guess I'll be the contrarian, I've seen a total eclipse and it was ... something I guess? I was not overwhelmed. Not something I would make any extraordinary effort or spend a lot of money on to see again. I think a nice sunset over the water is much more enjoyable.
Re:Eclipse viewing at 30k feet: Delta to offer path-of-total... by gammarator on Thursday February 22, 2024 @01:26PM (#39471057)
Be sure to plan for enormous traffic jams after the eclipse ends. Even extremely rural back/side roads will be bumper to bumper.
Re:Eclipse viewing at 30k feet: Delta to offer path-of-total... by somat on Thursday February 22, 2024 @02:13PM (#39471639)
Right, I Have family living in Wyoming so took the opportunity to see the 2017 eclipse there, amazing sight, totally worth it, But those poor Wyoming roads, completely packed for hundreds of miles, gas stations overwhelmed, with them still open having a correspondingly high price. If I did it again I would plan to spend 4 hours after the event just hanging out, rather than join the traffic.
Re:Eclipse viewing at 30k feet: Delta to offer path-of-total... by consp on Monday February 26, 2024 @09:00AM (#39511307)
Did this in France when I was younger. We were on a hillside and could see the darkness coming in very quickly and everything going silent. Not only bugs, birds also went silent for a moment.