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Re:I was deliberately infected with Zika to test a vaccine by crakenzak on Tuesday February 20, 2024 @09:36AM (#39441827)
The CIA is one of the most wicked organizations I’ve ever heard of. And that’s just from the small amount of info we know about them.
Re:I was deliberately infected with Zika to test a vaccine by somenameforme on Tuesday February 20, 2024 @09:39AM (#39441848)
Think about the fact that this [1] only did not happen because a single person intervened - just a single person along the long line of custody from inception to proposal. And the person who refused to let it happen was JFK.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods

Re:I was deliberately infected with Zika to test a vaccine by diggan on Tuesday February 20, 2024 @11:19AM (#39443135)
Worth noting that while that those proposed self-inflicted terrorist attacks were rejected, other terrorist attacks in Cuba by CIA were approved:

> The Cuban Project, also known as Operation Mongoose, was an extensive campaign of terrorist attacks against civilians, and covert operations, carried out by the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency in Cuba.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mongoose

Whenever one falls down the CIA rabbit-hole, it never continues surprise just how much pain they have inflicted on the world.

Re:I was deliberately infected with Zika to test a vaccine by NoGravitas on Tuesday February 20, 2024 @09:44AM (#39441887)
And look what happened to him.
Re:I was deliberately infected with Zika to test a vaccine by westmeal on Tuesday February 20, 2024 @09:53AM (#39441999)
But it was TOTALLY not the CIA. There is NO WAY the CIA could've done that.
Re:I was deliberately infected with Zika to test a vaccine by lawn on Tuesday February 20, 2024 @09:53AM (#39442002)
Wow, I've somehow missed this.
Re:I was deliberately infected with Zika to test a vaccine by jonhohle on Tuesday February 20, 2024 @10:44AM (#39442640)
I’m not sure if it’s sarcasm or not, but The Devil’s Chessboard lays out a case for the CIA acting as the military arm of the rich and powerful starting basically at its inception. All of the “communist” overthrows in the 50s and 60s happen to coincide with nationalist leaders (often democratically elected) who want to keep some of a country’s resources from falling further into the control of American corps. This typically resulted in actual dictators replacing them that allowed the businesses to continue to exploit while at the same time severely oppressing the locals.

Some of the evidence is compelling, others is speculative, but a lot of the same bad actors show up in a lot of very similar global (and local) affairs.

Re:I was deliberately infected with Zika to test a vaccine by JumpCrisscross on Tuesday February 20, 2024 @12:20PM (#39443955)
> nationalist leaders (often democratically elected) who want to keep some of a country’s resources from falling further into the control of American corps

This is an old geopolitical problem: rich democracies tended to surround themselves with alliances of despots. Athens, Rome and America. The corporate interests hypothesis is interesting. But the resilient one is that dictators reliably deliver foreign policy goals that electeds' voters value.

Re:I was deliberately infected with Zika to test a vaccine by masfuerte on Tuesday February 20, 2024 @12:12PM (#39443853)
Re:I was deliberately infected with Zika to test a vaccine by petsfed on Tuesday February 20, 2024 @01:49PM (#39445194)
I'll add that book to my reading list.

I think, more broadly, that American, British, and French "anti-communist" foreign policy has consistently been about ensuring that American, British, and French companies continue unfettered access to a colonized nation's resources. Your actual governmental or economic structure is irrelevant, so long as Shell Oil or United Fruit Company are only answerable to their shareholders, and not the people of the country they're exploiting.

Anti-communism, colonialism, nation-building, all these justifications eventually become just rationalizations for protecting specifically the colonizer's economic interests. The Great Hunger, the Bengal Famine, the Banana Massacre, the excesses of the regime of Mohammad Reza Shah, the Mandate for Palestine, the Belgian fucking Congo, all of these result from optimizing for foreign economic interests without any regard for local social interests.

Re:I was deliberately infected with Zika to test a vaccine by pastacacioepepe on Tuesday February 20, 2024 @02:33PM (#39445800)
Loving how very based is this HN thread
Re:I was deliberately infected with Zika to test a vaccine by mjcohen on Tuesday February 20, 2024 @07:08PM (#39448631)
based or biased?
Re:I was deliberately infected with Zika to test a vaccine by pastacacioepepe on Wednesday February 21, 2024 @06:21AM (#39452502)
Usually HN is pretty biased but this thread is just based, thanks.

Is the truth too "biased" for you?

Re:I was deliberately infected with Zika to test a vaccine by instagib on Tuesday February 20, 2024 @03:52PM (#39446748)
The list of ‘see also’ on the site is a fun read. I never read about the “fog of war” incident before related to the Vietnam war inception which never happened.

https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Tonkin_incident

Re:I was deliberately infected with Zika to test a vaccine by piva00 on Tuesday February 20, 2024 @10:30AM (#39442459)
The CIA absolutely fucked Latin America, staging coups, pushing US businesses interests, putting military dictatorships in power and assisting them while in power. The damage runs deep and I think it's quite overwhelming hearing from ignorant and/or naïve Americans about the issues China may cause, or the deaths that dictatorships brought into the world.

The misery inflicted into generations of the peoples found under the thumb of Uncle Sam's is almost unimaginable, it's all under wraps though, since winners write history the US is not currently seen as one of the major sources of instability and social strife in so many countries it involved itself in.

When Americans look at Latin America and see the mess it exists in there's no self-reflection about their part in causing it. American needs trumped over all the rights to self-determination of these peoples, be it assisting United Fruit Company to destroy Guatemala, the dictatorships in Chile, Argentina, Brazil, Peru, etc. And all the aftermath of the USA forcing countries in its "sphere of influence" to abide by what the USA wanted, if you attempted to go out of line there'd be a CIA team taking your government down in no time.

It's just wishful thinking but I wish to see the USA reckoning with all the misery it caused in my lifetime. It's personal to me since one of my relatives was killed during the Brazilian dictatorship, he was simply trying to be an active part of an union.

Re:I was deliberately infected with Zika to test a vaccine by ribosometronome on Tuesday February 20, 2024 @01:46PM (#39445156)
>issues China may cause ...The misery inflicted into generations of the peoples found under the thumb of Uncle Sam's is almost unimaginable, it's all under wraps though

Under wraps, and yet here you are talking about it on an American website, seemingly without much fear of repercussions or being censored for it. Is it as easy or welcome to talk about Chinese committed atrocities on Chinese websites?

Re:I was deliberately infected with Zika to test a vaccine by petsfed on Tuesday February 20, 2024 @03:13PM (#39446288)
The fact that I can freely discuss the fact that my government installs and supports (occasionally very directly) brutally anti-democratic regimes that stand in complete opposition to everything my country claims to stand for, does not somehow negate the fact that my country is doing those things. This isn't a question of "is the US better/worse than China/Russia/etc?". The question is "Is the US living up to its own legend?"

I would argue that, based on the activities of the CIA and other arms of the government, the answer is unambiguously "NO".

I understand that one of the key ways that e.g. Putin remains acceptable to his population despite being unambiguously a strongman is to basically say "I am no better than any of them, except that I never said I would be".

Re:I was deliberately infected with Zika to test a vaccine by piva00 on Tuesday February 20, 2024 @02:28PM (#39445719)
Under wraps from general American society, yes. Go right now on the streets of your USA city and ask about the atrocities the USA has committed in Latin America, check what % of the people even know about that.

My comment about China is meant more in relation to the boogeyman created out of China to push USA's interests, I don't condone authoritarianism at all (it should be pretty clear after I mention a dead relative by the hands of a dictatorship) but I do have very high reservations about whatever the USA pushes for manufacturing consent across the globe, right now it's the China boogeyman.

The whole play of the USA is also to keep the veil of a freedoms' paragon as a misdirection for its transgressions, it's layered in misdirection using language such as "defense of freedom", "free market", "business interests" while behaving schizophrenically by supporting dictators who align to its interests (e.g.: Saudi Arabia, multiple dictatorships in Latin America). It's all bullshit. Owning that it's all bullshit won't ever happen, it needs to keep the discourse to keep the façade of a force for good.

At least China is more honest, they are dicks, they are ruthless, they can be aggressive, but no one else was misled to believe otherwise. That's not the case with the USA.

And my rant over your "whatabout" point ends here.

Re:I was deliberately infected with Zika to test a vaccine by BobaFloutist on Tuesday February 20, 2024 @02:18PM (#39445604)
The CIA has definitely committed some pretty heinous acts, but the only reason they appear worse than your average national intelligence service is that the US has a habit of declassifying operations and documents after they're no longer active and/or relevant, forcing them to confess to a subset of their crimes. Most national intelligence services are allowed to freely and happily cover up the vast majority of their crimes indefinitely, and there's much less opportunity to hold them accountable unless they actually get caught.
Re:I was deliberately infected with Zika to test a vaccine by tootie on Tuesday February 20, 2024 @02:23PM (#39445658)
The CIA is the covert agency of American foreign policy. They don't act independently.