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Re:Aliens haven't visited. Why are so many smart people insi... by mbgerring on Tuesday February 20, 2024 @02:53AM (#39438938)
It’s fine if you you’re not inclined to believe the claims of Grusch, or Corso, or any number of other people who have made more or less the same set of claims over the years. It’s worth pointing out, though, that the U.S. government lied, point blank, about a whole bunch of things that they now publicly claim were secret weapons tests. Our government fully denied the existence of any military base at the site popularly known as Area 51 for decades, until they just came out and admitted to its existence in the 90s. And they did so at least in part because of pressure from UFO researchers! If your evidence that any part of UFO folklore is definitely false is just that “the US government said it was [x]”, you shouldn’t be surprised if people don’t find that convincing!
Re:Aliens haven't visited. Why are so many smart people insi... by easyThrowaway on Tuesday February 20, 2024 @04:37AM (#39439406)
The most insightful conclusion we can get from the existence of Area 51 is the lack of accountability from the US Army to the general public.

Whether it's hiding Aliens or (more realistically) some really nasty secrets from the Cold War Era, You got the army independently operating a structure on home soil, syphoning public money without having to answer to no one.

Re:Aliens haven't visited. Why are so many smart people insi... by AymanJabr on Tuesday February 20, 2024 @05:54AM (#39439807)
Until there is physical evidence that can be confirmed by third parties of other nations, we should just treat the entire thing as PsyOps. The existence of Alien civilizations at a level of development so far from us that they would be Gods is such an outrageous claim, that it would need outrageous amounts of evidence.

Taking the words of Government officials who have the blessing of the military to "whistleblow" is just not good enough.

Re:Aliens haven't visited. Why are so many smart people insi... by GoblinSlayer on Tuesday February 20, 2024 @06:21AM (#39439994)
I wouldn't say being gods is that far, just many humans are dumb and on top of that even don't want to use whatever brains they got. It's self inflicted retardation really.
Re:Aliens haven't visited. Why are so many smart people insi... by k8svet on Tuesday February 20, 2024 @08:29AM (#39440943)
Hey. The first comment actually hitting on it. There is zero difference between UFO truthers and religious folks. Literally the arguments being made in this thread would apply to "is god real?

And yet once again were here, already taking the unfounded conspiracy more seriously than it deserves to be.

And in fact, I see the causes being the same. People are losing control. Losing the excitement of the capitalist consumer treadmill. Searching for answers and clarity. What would solve all of my problems that the single largest shift in human history! Jesus's return! I mean aliens!

Re:Aliens haven't visited. Why are so many smart people insi... by nprateem on Tuesday February 20, 2024 @05:59AM (#39439835)
It's outrageous to seriously believe we're the most advanced life form in the entire universe. Whether anyone's come visiting is the issue.
Re:Aliens haven't visited. Why are so many smart people insi... by Larrikin on Tuesday February 20, 2024 @07:08AM (#39440295)
Its not outrageous to believe it's possible we are actually first or the most advanced without evidence to refute it.

We currently have no evidence otherwise, and our best hopes (in my lifetime atleast) are finding ocean dwelling creatures on moons in the solar system that have no technology capable of reaching Earth.

It's just outrageous to think we are a unique possibility in the entire universe given how many stars and galaxies we have discovered.

Re:Aliens haven't visited. Why are so many smart people insi... by nprateem on Tuesday February 20, 2024 @07:58AM (#39440662)
In an infinite universe it's infinitely probable there are other more advanced civilisations.
Re:Aliens haven't visited. Why are so many smart people insi... by paulryanrogers on Tuesday February 20, 2024 @08:34AM (#39441012)
Just not necessarily at the same time, or with sufficient resources to reach us.
Re:Aliens haven't visited. Why are so many smart people insi... by ablation on Tuesday February 20, 2024 @08:38AM (#39441060)
The idea that an infinite universe means infinitely many advanced civilisations is appealing but I think your statement oversimplifies a complex issue.

Firstly, the universe's infinity is not a settled matter; current cosmology suggests it's vast but finite, but of course, there's no absolute answer to this (yet). I'd also look to the Drake Equation when considering this point, which illustrates the myriad factors and sheer number of uncertainties involved in the development of "advanced civilisations".

So, yeah: while advanced civilisations are certainly possible, they may not be as probable as you suggest, even in a universe brimming with stars and planets.

Re:Aliens haven't visited. Why are so many smart people insi... by actionfromafar on Tuesday February 20, 2024 @08:50AM (#39441198)
And if they are outside our light cone, they just as well might not exist. There is no-one and will never be anyone to hear that tree fall in the forest.
Re:Aliens haven't visited. Why are so many smart people insi... by nprateem on Tuesday February 20, 2024 @08:56AM (#39441285)
Not when you're thinking in terms of probabilities.
Re:Aliens haven't visited. Why are so many smart people insi... by actionfromafar on Tuesday February 20, 2024 @09:00AM (#39441333)
I don't understand. If one of the advanced civilizations out there, is so far away, the light emitted from them will never even catch up to and reach Earth, what does it matter that they exist?
Re:Aliens haven't visited. Why are so many smart people insi... by nprateem on Tuesday February 20, 2024 @10:36AM (#39442529)
Because it'd still help inform us how prevalent life is in the Universe.
Re:Aliens haven't visited. Why are so many smart people insi... by nprateem on Tuesday February 20, 2024 @08:54AM (#39441255)
We didn't even know how many stars had planets until not so long ago. The idea we're any good at detecting advanced civilisations in the visible universe is highly questionable.
Re:Aliens haven't visited. Why are so many smart people insi... by actionfromafar on Tuesday February 20, 2024 @08:58AM (#39441315)
But how easy they are to detect is separate from the Drake equation - it's there only to demonstrate how many uncertainties there are.
Re:Aliens haven't visited. Why are so many smart people insi... by Izkata on Tuesday February 20, 2024 @09:42AM (#39441879)
I'm on the side that it's very odd to think we'd be the first, considering how short our existence is compared to dinosaurs. On the flipside, that same comparison means we may well be the most advanced.
Re:Aliens haven't visited. Why are so many smart people insi... by red-iron-pine on Tuesday February 20, 2024 @10:13AM (#39442236)
> It's just outrageous to think we are a unique possibility in the entire universe given how many stars and galaxies we have discovered.

It's important to underscore just how big the universe is

There may be some more life out there. But even with lightspeed engines they are so far away as to not really exist in a meaningful sense.

With our limited technology w/r/t space, they are functionally non-existent

Re:Aliens haven't visited. Why are so many smart people insi... by krapp on Wednesday February 21, 2024 @07:12AM (#39452862)
>If your evidence that any part of UFO folklore is definitely false is just that “the US government said it was [x]”, you shouldn’t be surprised if people don’t find that convincing!

Luckily, no skeptic of the UFO narrative has just the government's word as evidence to the contrary.

What's weird is that the same people claiming you shouldn't trust the government when it denies the UFO narrative are using the government and its integrity to argue that Grusch et. al must be telling the truth, that Grusch is a man of unquestioned integrity and honor and no one would just go in front of Congress and tell lies. The same government which has apparently been orchestrating a sprawling conspiracy of lies and psy-ops around UFOs for almost a hundred years, but for some weird reason respects the bureaucracy enough that they'll just let Grusch blow the lid off of the whole affair.

Even though that hasn't really happened yet. I'm sure it'll happen any day now.

You can't have it both ways.