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Re:A steep rise of Hacker News in Google rankings by shagie on Sunday February 18, 2024 @06:05PM (#39424448)
Do you believe that Google would have been a better custodian of Reddit than say Deja News ( https://www.wired.com/2001/02/google-buys-deja-archive/ ) aka Google Groups ( https://www.pcmag.com/news/end-of-an-era-google-groups-to-dr... )?
Re:A steep rise of Hacker News in Google rankings by stuartjohnson12 on Sunday February 18, 2024 @06:24PM (#39424597)
Google acquisitions suck because the thing gets left to rot. The last thing Reddit needed was all of its recent changes towards crypto and engagement-bait nonsense. I think they'd have it in better shape than it is now.
Re:A steep rise of Hacker News in Google rankings by isthatafact on Sunday February 18, 2024 @06:49PM (#39424770)
reddit has done a great job of letting itself rot -- for example, the moderation system tends to result in a hostile experience for users who attempt to participate.

On the other hand, if google owned it, getting banned from a subreddit would possibly mean getting locked out of all of your google accounts.

Re:A steep rise of Hacker News in Google rankings by KuriousCat on Sunday February 18, 2024 @07:50PM (#39425121)
May be internet needs a refresh from walled gardens and one sided impositions without any accountability. Some class of services need to be protected to the same level as access to basic utilities such as roads or power…
Re:A steep rise of Hacker News in Google rankings by wslh on Sunday February 18, 2024 @07:46PM (#39425104)
It depends on the subreddit but as a long time Reddit user I find that moderation has changed and you can be banned for posting on topic posts.
Re:A steep rise of Hacker News in Google rankings by Aeolun on Sunday February 18, 2024 @07:48PM (#39425113)
I’ve been banned on two separate accounts for posting something the mod of the subreddit didn’t like. When I found out there was no appeal I kinda gave up on Reddit.
Re:A steep rise of Hacker News in Google rankings by tacocataco on Monday February 19, 2024 @06:50PM (#39436290)
I got shadowbanned a TON till I realized you could be shadow banned for leaving to many (on topic) links to other websites or subreddits in the comments.

Sorry I am good at leaving sources to backup what I say I guess?

Re:A steep rise of Hacker News in Google rankings by l33tman on Sunday February 18, 2024 @06:59PM (#39424821)
Getting OT, but what is the deal with all the completely different moderation guidelines (that amass to like 20-30 weird rules and exceptions) for every subreddit. I find it almost impossible to participate (except just adding a comment here and there).

For example, I wanted to post a funny Risitas youtube vid I made (you know the mexican comedian with that laugh...), and couldn't find a single usable "funny" subreddit. Some banned youtube content completely. Some banned "video memes", some banned X and some banned Y... all of them had slightly different guidelines and you immediately got an insta-splurge from a bot-mod if you tried posting. Some required you to prefix every post subject with some code word. I had to give up eventually and post it on some super-small subreddit instead that accepted anything.

Re:A steep rise of Hacker News in Google rankings by interroboink on Sunday February 18, 2024 @08:15PM (#39425232)
> what is the deal with all the completely different moderation guidelines ... for every subreddit

My sense is that the bigger the userbase, the more it attracts junk, spam, abuse, etc. So, the rules get tightened to combat it. Also, my impression is that the moderation tools are not great, so crude/heavy-handed methods are sometimes all that is available.

I think you found the corollary already: smaller subreddits have less rules and/or less strict enforcement.

I'm not sure a better solution, given the situation. Though I agree it can be discouraging for well-meaning occasional contributors.

Re:A steep rise of Hacker News in Google rankings by shiroiushi on Monday February 19, 2024 @01:43AM (#39426806)
The other problem is the moderators themselves. Each subreddit has its own volunteer moderators. It's a thankless job, so who volunteers to do it? Frequently people who shouldn't have that power. So many subs have terrible mods who abuse their power.
Re:A steep rise of Hacker News in Google rankings by interroboink on Monday February 19, 2024 @03:09PM (#39434159)
It's like a little microcosm of politics (:

"... It is a well-known fact that those people who most want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it. To summarize the summary: anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job."

— Douglas Adams

Re:A steep rise of Hacker News in Google rankings by Contax on Monday February 19, 2024 @03:31AM (#39427352)
> you know the mexican comedian with that laugh...

He was Spanish, as in Spaniard, from Spain, Europe.

Re:A steep rise of Hacker News in Google rankings by l33tman on Monday February 19, 2024 @07:50AM (#39429197)
Ah my mistake, unfortunately I can't correct my comment now
Re:A steep rise of Hacker News in Google rankings by dang on Monday February 19, 2024 @05:43PM (#39435726)
I've taken the liberty of s/Mexican/Spanish/ing your comment. I hope that's what you wanted!
Re:A steep rise of Hacker News in Google rankings by Contax on Tuesday February 20, 2024 @07:42AM (#39440530)
No worries. And in fact, sorry if I came out as nitpicky. Not that kind of person usually, but being his fan even before he became internet-famous I felt some urge, strange as it sounds.
Re:A steep rise of Hacker News in Google rankings by tacocataco on Monday February 19, 2024 @06:54PM (#39436326)
> (except just adding a comment here and there).

Your comment has been auto removed for not linking your reddit account with a email.

Re:A steep rise of Hacker News in Google rankings by drngdds on Sunday February 18, 2024 @06:58PM (#39424811)
The moderation system is pretty much the same as any forum. You just have to read the sidebar rules first when you're posting on an unfamiliar subreddit, as you would when joining any community.
Re:A steep rise of Hacker News in Google rankings by peppermint_gum on Sunday February 18, 2024 @11:57PM (#39426364)
On most forums there's no automated system that automatically shadowbans users for using a blacklisted IP.

They also don't quietly remove comments in a way that is invisible to a user for triggering some keyword in AutoModerator or a spam filter. And there are usually no minimum karma or account age requirements for posters.

Re:A steep rise of Hacker News in Google rankings by HeatrayEnjoyer on Monday February 19, 2024 @01:40PM (#39433145)
> On most forums there's no automated system that automatically shadowbans users for using a blacklisted IP.

Any large site does this. Even HN.

Re:A steep rise of Hacker News in Google rankings by Contax on Monday February 19, 2024 @03:27AM (#39427325)
But you can be banned from sub A if you post in sub B because mods from sub A don't like sub B, even if what you posted was something that mods from sub A would like... and AFAIK you won't find out you were banned from sub A until you try to post on sub A. Not that it happened to me, but I've seen plenty of cases.
Re:A steep rise of Hacker News in Google rankings by isthatafact on Monday February 19, 2024 @05:21PM (#39435543)
Some of the moderators ban anyone anyone who makes comments that they do not like, even if comments are reasonable, polite, and within rules.

Moderation of that type usually seems to be secret, but the problematic moderators that I have noticed seem to be trying to protect some political belief or pet disinformation from discussion. It poisons the entire site for me.