In terms of net human suffering we can execute everyone. No people -- no suffering

That would increase total suffering, as people condemned to be executed will under go a great deal of suffering.

Inform them only after it’s done.

> That would increase total suffering

Not for long, afterwards there would be nobody left to suffer.

This debate is in bad faith.

Just taking the suggestion to its logical conclusion I think.

And then you'd only have to deal with every addiction that's not related to illegal drugs. What are you going to do about alcoholism, or gaming addiction? Execute brewers and game developers?

El Salvador seems to be quite happy these days...

The murder rate of the USA is now almost 3 times higher than that of El Salvadors.

New Zealand now has more murder than El Salvador.

Sometimes it's really amazing how simple, first-principles solutions are mind-bogglingly effective.

New Zealand has 2.6 homicides per 100k. Singapore has 0.1 per 100k; 26x less.

One wonders what a Kiwi Bukele could do

Singapore has similar tolerances for crime as El Sal.

E.g. the Singapore method. It works better than the western methods but people don't want to take it seriously and would rather suppress the suggestion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_prevalenc...

The "by any means necessary" method...? I think a society based around the normalization of this level of punishment is distopian. Achieving the lowest opiate addiction rate possible may not be worth it given the probability of wrongful incarceration/death, its optimising the wrong thing. I think humanity should just accept the multi-facetedness of the universe and work on systems which work without compromising our humanity. We are hooked on mental shortcuts and quick fixes.

Have you seen the opioid and crystal meth epidemics up close? They are far more dystopian than Singapore executing the odd drug trafficker.

Also ban the chewing gum while at it (as they do there).

You must not leave the house much.