EU to make AI generated child abuse material criminal

Re:EU to make AI generated child abuse material criminal by DalasNoin on Thursday February 15, 2024 @12:38PM (#39385611)

One thing that comes to mind is this: imagine someone is found with cp on a device. They could defend themselves saying it is AI generated. Unless there is a reliable way to tell AI fakes from real ones people could possibly use this defense.

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Re:EU to make AI generated child abuse material criminal by ng12 on Thursday February 15, 2024 @12:39PM (#39385633)

If AI generated porn were indistinguishable wouldn't that almost totally eliminate demand for the real stuff?

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Re:EU to make AI generated child abuse material criminal by FirmwareBurner on Thursday February 15, 2024 @12:48PM (#39385799)

But to generate faithful AI CP it must mean the AI was trained on actual CP dataset. So those who trained the AI would have some explaining to do.

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Re:EU to make AI generated child abuse material criminal by aenvoker on Thursday February 15, 2024 @01:12PM (#39386136)

You don't need to train on pictures of canine golfers to make highly convincing pictures of dogs driving golf carts on Mars. https://imgur.com/a/EIWUJYp The AIs are extremely good at mixing concepts.

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Re:EU to make AI generated child abuse material criminal by ithkuil on Thursday February 15, 2024 @01:10PM (#39386108)

I don't think that's necessarily true.

An AI can generate an image of a wizard with a frog on their head and that doesn't imply that the training set had such an image

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Re:EU to make AI generated child abuse material criminal by xigoi on Thursday February 15, 2024 @01:29PM (#39386363)

Are you sure? I’d guess that AI can extrapolate from adult porn and non-sexual depictions of children.

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Re:EU to make AI generated child abuse material criminal by FirmwareBurner on Thursday February 15, 2024 @01:31PM (#39386391)

So the AI will generate children with adult private parts?

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Re:EU to make AI generated child abuse material criminal by xigoi on Thursday February 15, 2024 @01:33PM (#39386437)

Pretty sure there are non-sexual images of naked children too, such as in anatomy textbooks.

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Re:EU to make AI generated child abuse material criminal by ben_w on Thursday February 15, 2024 @12:44PM (#39385725)

Unknown. For example, I have heard most offenders abuse their relatives, and I don't expect synthetic material to have any impact in this category.

Also, the only way to find out if this has any effect at all (positive or negative) would disgust and outrage many, as that test would require having a region where it's forbidden and a control group where it's allowed and seeing which is worse.

I'm not sure how many people would try to lynch mob (let alone vote out) whoever tries to do that, but I'm sure it's enough that exact numbers don't matter.

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Re:EU to make AI generated child abuse material criminal by diputsmonro on Thursday February 15, 2024 @12:55PM (#39385894)

My guess is that offenders abuse relatives because they are easier to access and manipulate, not because there is a true preference there. More a crime of opportunity than a pursued goal.

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Re:EU to make AI generated child abuse material criminal by realfeel78 on Thursday February 15, 2024 @12:52PM (#39385858)

In that scenario, how tf would you know that "real stuff" was eliminated? Think, please.

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Re:EU to make AI generated child abuse material criminal by beaeglebeached on Thursday February 15, 2024 @12:41PM (#39385672)

Makes sense but real people have real ages. Couldnt they just say the AI is a rendition of an 18 year old with some hypothetical development deviation? You'd have to ban all ai porn because the age can't be measured as it's non-existent.

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Re:EU to make AI generated child abuse material criminal by once_inc on Thursday February 15, 2024 @12:45PM (#39385745)

That would indeed be the probable next step for government or intergovernmental organizations. Criminalize AI porn. Then criminalize regular porn.

The government is greedy in its lust for control and order in a chaotic world. It has a tendency to overreach, then overreach again (as we see with in the overlap of privacy and counterterrorism).

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Re:EU to make AI generated child abuse material criminal by birracerveza on Thursday February 15, 2024 @01:06PM (#39386047)

Ah yes, the japanese “1000 year old dragon loli” gambit.

Which is actually a perfectly valid defense imo, as it’s horribly dumb to incriminate real people because of fictional characters. Should everyone who has a copy of IT go to jail because of child pornography? It makes no sense.

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Re:EU to make AI generated child abuse material criminal by amelius on Thursday February 15, 2024 @12:40PM (#39385640)

If the technology gets to that point, who needs the real thing?

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Re:EU to make AI generated child abuse material criminal by mschuster91 on Thursday February 15, 2024 @12:42PM (#39385693)

People who are into it not because they like their kids young (i.e. "classic" pedos), but because they want to (feel to) have the power of causing pain. There is a real market for custom pedo videos, it's utterly insane.

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Re:EU to make AI generated child abuse material criminal by almatabata on Thursday February 15, 2024 @01:18PM (#39386220)

> People who are into it not because they like their kids young (i.e. "classic" pedos), but because they want to (feel to) have the power of causing pain.

Stupid question but why take kids then and not adult women? Why take the risk of buying CP if you do not like the kids young?

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Re:EU to make AI generated child abuse material criminal by amelius on Thursday February 15, 2024 @12:47PM (#39385777)

I'm guessing the market will just serve them fake custom videos then ...

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