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Re:Commercial property deals in the US are starting to pick ... by epistasis on Thursday February 15, 2024 @12:43AM (#39379525)
Developers built everything, existed long before planners ever did, and despite their greed and avarice, actually produce things that people want, and live in.

Planners can claim none of this. They have complete control over the developers, but tend to make the outcomes worse both for the people buying homes. No matter the intention of the developer or the planner, the planner has made things worse and the developer better.

Re:Commercial property deals in the US are starting to pick ... by breather on Thursday February 15, 2024 @12:47AM (#39379551)
> Developers built everything,

Well, no, this is just straight-up not true, that's just a description of recent american history.

Re:Commercial property deals in the US are starting to pick ... by epistasis on Thursday February 15, 2024 @12:52AM (#39379577)
You must have some weird definition of "developer" then, something that's not compatible with what I'm talking about.

Who built all the brownstones in New York, for example? Today, they'd be called developers. What is your definition?

Re:Commercial property deals in the US are starting to pick ... by breather on Thursday February 15, 2024 @01:43AM (#39379813)
Again, american cities are a small fraction of the world.
Re:Commercial property deals in the US are starting to pick ... by chii on Thursday February 15, 2024 @06:51AM (#39381607)
So other than naturally formed caves, everything else is built by, you guessed it, developers. It's just an umberalla term - you might call it builders in some other parts of the world.
Re:Commercial property deals in the US are starting to pick ... by tgaj on Thursday February 15, 2024 @07:21AM (#39381815)
It could be a problem of a definition. In my country, a "developer" is someone who constructs buildings not for himself but to sell them to others. If I build a house for myself, then I am not a "developer". The difference is that "developers" only care about profit. For example, I wouldn't want to antagonize future neighbors, but the "developer" doesn't care about that.
Re:Commercial property deals in the US are starting to pick ... by SamBam on Thursday February 15, 2024 @08:31AM (#39382447)
Ok, but still by that definition every apartment building is built by a developer. So all the beautiful buildings in Paris or Rome or wherever. So they are hardly a modern American phenomenon.
Re:Commercial property deals in the US are starting to pick ... by epistasis on Thursday February 15, 2024 @10:22AM (#39383743)
You know who else only cares about profit? Farmers. Bakers. Grocers. Etc.

People needs homes. If somebody is "antagonized" because somebody else now has a home, the problem lies solely, fully, and 100% with the person that feels "antagonized." Its not an appropriate or socially acceptable response.