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Re:I Fucking Hate Jira (2022) by itronitron on Wednesday February 14, 2024 @04:00PM (#39375262)
Jira + Scrum is a soul crushing nightmare, Jira + Kanban is fine.
Re:I Fucking Hate Jira (2022) by OJFord on Wednesday February 14, 2024 @04:47PM (#39375961)
I agree that scrum is a soul-crushing nightmare & kanban is fine, but Jira a nightmare of a tool to use regardless of your process, IME.
Re:I Fucking Hate Jira (2022) by ch4s3 on Wednesday February 14, 2024 @04:04PM (#39375329)
Until someone comes along and tries to put some scrum into your kanban.
Re:I Fucking Hate Jira (2022) by toomuchtodo on Wednesday February 14, 2024 @04:21PM (#39375566)
Ahh, someone woke up and chose violence today.
Re:I Fucking Hate Jira (2022) by ch4s3 on Thursday February 15, 2024 @11:59AM (#39385115)
hilariously someone hated my joke enough to downvote it, but I think there's a kernel of truth.
Re:I Fucking Hate Jira (2022) by teeray on Wednesday February 14, 2024 @04:14PM (#39375472)
"but once we can get our estimates right, then think of all that we can do with these burndown charts!"
Re:I Fucking Hate Jira (2022) by kstrauser on Wednesday February 14, 2024 @04:28PM (#39375682)
Chevy Chase in “Christmas Vacation”: “Bend over and I’ll show you.”
Re:I Fucking Hate Jira (2022) by breather on Wednesday February 14, 2024 @04:22PM (#39375584)
Is there a context where time estimation is not employed, even implicitly?
Re:I Fucking Hate Jira (2022) by scott_w on Wednesday February 14, 2024 @04:47PM (#39375963)
No, never. I’ve stopped doing story points for this reason. When people want an estimate, I tend to chop things into reasonable same-sized chunks and do my best effort based on that. I prefer the NoEstimates approach and try to use past data to be a bit more “real” but it’s not always possible.

The truth is, if someone wants a time estimate, just do that and don’t beat around the bush. It’s too much effort to still be wrong.

Re:I Fucking Hate Jira (2022) by lmm on Wednesday February 14, 2024 @06:59PM (#39377304)
Disagree; Jira + Kanban is if anything even worse. Since Jira is such a pain to use and Kanban doesn't have any requirement for estimation or timeboxing, people will write one ticket that says "do everything" and work on it for 6 months. While admittedly avoiding Jira for 6 months at a time is good for the soul, when you put your head down and work on something with no context for 6 months you usually end up making something that wasn't actually wanted and has to be thrown away or drastically reworked, which ends up being more soul crushing.