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Re:3x faster linux boot with e4rat by Danieru on Sunday May 06, 2012 @07:22PM (#3936776)
I did buy one, then it broke.

Once you factor in the re-installs the latency of spinning rust looks a bit better.

Re:3x faster linux boot with e4rat by driverdan on Sunday May 06, 2012 @08:53PM (#3937047)
All drives can fail. Not including servers I've managed I estimate I've had more than 10 hard drives fail, all of which were well below the manufacturer's stated MTBF.

My first SSD (low to mid range) failed within the first 3-6 months but the replacement has been going for almost 2 years now.

Re:3x faster linux boot with e4rat by mauriciob on Monday May 07, 2012 @09:49AM (#3938945)
The replacement is always better... somehow.
Re:3x faster linux boot with e4rat by j_s on Monday May 07, 2012 @01:21PM (#3939938)
Is this similar to how lost things are usually in the last place you look for them? It does make sense that people would continue replacing something until it worked!
Re:3x faster linux boot with e4rat by chimeracoder on Monday May 07, 2012 @01:22PM (#3939947)
Sure, but there's no doubt that SSDs on average wear out faster, which makes them that much more expensive a choice.

It may be worth it in the long run, but you have to keep that in mind when making the choice.

Re:3x faster linux boot with e4rat by reitzensteinm on Sunday May 06, 2012 @08:32PM (#3936991)
Which SSD did you buy?

I'd only trust an Intel at this point, though even they're not much more reliable than a traditional hard drive on average (now that they've shipped a few buggy firmware revisions).

Re:3x faster linux boot with e4rat by mdonahoe on Sunday May 06, 2012 @07:27PM (#3936790)
My SSD makes for a nice drink coaster.
Re:3x faster linux boot with e4rat by Karunamon on Sunday May 06, 2012 @07:39PM (#3936834)
Don't buy garbage SSDs, and make sure your system is utilizing them correctly. Putting swap on an SSD = horrible idea.
Re:3x faster linux boot with e4rat by kgtm on Monday May 07, 2012 @06:43AM (#3938445)
Actually, putting swap on an SSD == great idea. If you need swap, there aren't any better places to put it. I quote from [0] (for Windows), because it is fairly large wall of text and the relevant point might be missed:

_Should the pagefile be placed on SSDs?_

Yes. Most pagefile operations are small random reads or larger sequential writes, both of which are types of operations that SSDs handle well. In looking at telemetry data from thousands of traces and focusing on pagefile reads and writes, we find that

> Pagefile.sys reads outnumber pagefile.sys writes by about 40 to 1,

> Pagefile.sys read sizes are typically quite small, with 67% less than or equal to 4 KB, and 88% less than 16 KB.

> Pagefile.sys writes are relatively large, with 62% greater than or equal to 128 KB and 45% being exactly 1 MB in size.

In fact, given typical pagefile reference patterns and the favorable performance characteristics SSDs have on those patterns, there are few files better than the pagefile to place on an SSD.

On the other hand, attempting to defragment an SSD is truly a bad idea, and pointless at that. Unless you are defragmenting free space, which does get important as the SSD fills with data.

[0] http://blogs.msdn.com/b/e7/archive/2009/05/05/support-and-q-...

Re:3x faster linux boot with e4rat by Tobu on Tuesday May 08, 2012 @10:22AM (#3943734)
This deals with performance, but not durability. The system would pump data into swap at a fast rate during a thrashing situation, wearing out the SSD.
Re:3x faster linux boot with e4rat by reitzensteinm on Sunday May 06, 2012 @08:33PM (#3936996)
It's not a good idea for an MLC drive, but a decent SSD should fail into read only mode when enough sectors are lost.
Re:3x faster linux boot with e4rat by Danieru on Sunday May 06, 2012 @09:45PM (#3937190)
It wasn't even the flash that failed, the controller stopped my bios from posting until the sata polling timed out.

Yes it was a cheap SSD, but the difference between the high end and low end should be performance. Not "breaks vs !break". When that is true I'll buy another SSD.

That is not to say that SSDs are "bad", they are just not for me, yet. I like my computers to be low maintenance. I stopped fiddling with hardware for performance a few years ago.

Re:3x faster linux boot with e4rat by ethermal on Monday May 07, 2012 @11:27AM (#3939367)
almost all of my spinning disks in the last 20+ years have failed. Some right away, some in a few months, some in a few years but they all have failed.