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Re:Why it's so hard to build new commercial aircraft by AtlasBarfed on Monday February 12, 2024 @02:26AM (#39342406)
I know that self driving cars are eyerolling to hear about, but highway self-driving with convergent infrastructure (not the drive-me-thru-Taco-Bell kind) is going to come to trucking, for the basic reason that you can drive the trucks overnight at a minimum.

Smaller planes seem mostly designed for shorter flights, but if I can get a better-than-sober-me stats on highways, and I can sleep in a car while it drives me to another city, why would I fly?

- take a lot more stuff with you

- for families it will be insanely cheaper

- if an EV, it will be lower carbon

- I will have a car for last mile/city driving when I get there

- much better seats

I honestly think the 20 year prognosis for <800 mile flights is going to be really bad. 800 miles flying is 2 hours + taxiing + waiting in line + transport to airport + giving yourself enough buffer + land/get luggage + ground transport. That is probably 5-6 hours in many situations.

So a 10-11 hour drive where you don't have to pay attention and can sleep overnight would be my primary choice if I could do it now. Even if there was, say, a 1500 mile trip to florida, if there is someone to visit along the way, I'll drive.

Anyway, the gist of it is that I think large planes or trips with water barriers are what the industry will end up with, I don't anticipate some massive groundswell of air travel demand for shorter flights in the long run.

Re:Why it's so hard to build new commercial aircraft by euroderf on Monday February 12, 2024 @04:27AM (#39343032)
You've also made the case for railway travel, except the last mile car. But that last mile car is an impediment in a proper (dense) city with proper transit.
Re:Why it's so hard to build new commercial aircraft by AtlasBarfed on Monday February 12, 2024 @02:05PM (#39348866)
Railway travel has schedules you have to adhere, and all the boarding/unboarding overhead, and luggage limitations.

With the high expense of rail infrastructure (e.g. transporation in cities) I always wondered if you simply designated a dedicated paved lane for busses if that would simply be cheaper.

Re:Why it's so hard to build new commercial aircraft by euroderf on Tuesday February 13, 2024 @02:11AM (#39355345)
Buying tix online makes rail travel a lot simpler, ektually. But there's a place for buses too, and a crossover point where increased traffic makes rail better long-term.

But long-dx on buses is no fun. Trains rule. Get some shuteye, or watch the world go by.

Re:Why it's so hard to build new commercial aircraft by Qwertious on Monday February 12, 2024 @06:12AM (#39343641)
You used to be able to travel to Florida in your car without having to drive, in a "motorail" that simply carried the whole automobile on the train:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auto_Train

Re:Why it's so hard to build new commercial aircraft by mst on Monday February 12, 2024 @08:26AM (#39344480)
That seems to have the humans ride in passenger cars.

The Channel Tunnel vehicle trains generally leave the humans in the cars during the journey: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LeShuttle

Re:Why it's so hard to build new commercial aircraft by wkat4242 on Monday February 12, 2024 @10:21AM (#39345765)
That's because the trip is only 30 minutes. The whole hassle of relocating isn't worth it.