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Re:Figure out who's leaving the company: dump, diff, repeat by caskstrength on Friday February 09, 2024 @02:18AM (#39312298)
Yeah, "they don't pay me any money in Sweden, but at least I get to continue doing what I'm doing for 3 more months if I get laid off" is not too enticing, sorry.

Meta comment: why are bunch of people from Europe repeatedly get triggered on US-based site by stories about US business practices that have nothing to do with them?

Re:Figure out who's leaving the company: dump, diff, repeat by andrewl-hn on Friday February 09, 2024 @02:59AM (#39312546)
Small correction. When you’re getting laid off they pay you for whatever termination time is in contract. Usually it’s something pretty long, like 3 months, with some contracts structured in such a way that this period grows with your tenure at the company. My “notice” period grew from 1 month during first half a year to 3 months afterwards.

Once a layoff is declared you get paid for the remainder time plus often a severance package (about 6-12 months of salary in total is customary). You are expected to work these 3 months, though, just like you would work for 3 months (and get paid) if you decide to charge jobs.

In practice it means working with people who will leave a company soon is pretty common, having these people as your bosses, as your subordinates, see them at company social gatherings etc etc is all part of working culture. They aren’t perceived as a threat to business or to company morale. Handover of responsibilities, knowledge transfer, hiring or training a replacement: all these processes tend to spread out gradually over months, and the resulting transition is often pretty painless.

It’s a stark contrast to US business practice and people working across the ocean or relocating from one continent to the other need time to adapt.

Europeans pointing such differences on a website does not necessarily constitute “triggering”. If you knew all of this already, great. But someone reading this thread may learn about it for the first time, and there’s no downsides to sharing the knowledge.

Re:Figure out who's leaving the company: dump, diff, repeat by ithkuil on Friday February 09, 2024 @03:54AM (#39312850)
On this very website I see people having heated debates about whether curly braces or indentation are insane or brain damaged, and that's just a "nerd" rant and that's ok.

But suddenly, when the debate is whether it's being so paranoid about disgruntled employees nuking prod or stealing IP during layoffs instead of handling a transition gracefully, that's suddenly enters the domain of nationalism and it's no longer the "right" kind of rant to have?

Yeah sometimes people will use unnecessary direct language, which btw is also a cultural thing (see "Culture Map - Breaking Through the Invisible Boundaries of Global Business" by Erin Meyer), but I don't think you should perceive this as an attack on you personally.

This is not just a US site, and even if it was, it's still useful to learn about how stuff works elsewhere in the world. Curious people want to learn and that's why many come here.

Re:Figure out who's leaving the company: dump, diff, repeat by romanovcode on Friday February 09, 2024 @04:23AM (#39313044)
OP is wrong and reads too much reddit - US bad, EU good. It is definitely possible to get fired "effective immediately" in EU/Sweden and 100% legal. I've seen it myself. (The company would just pay the 3 months salary)
Re:Figure out who's leaving the company: dump, diff, repeat by Unfrozen0688 on Friday February 09, 2024 @04:35AM (#39313127)
Yea, but getting 3 months pay without having to work sounds even better for the employee. Now, there will still be the issue of dropping off Slack and hand off etc.

I do read too much Reddit, but I also live in Sweden lol

Re:Figure out who's leaving the company: dump, diff, repeat by romanovcode on Friday February 09, 2024 @06:05AM (#39313620)
Absolutely better, if I get fired I wish I will be fired immediately as well - 3 months of vacation sounds awesome :D
Re:Figure out who's leaving the company: dump, diff, repeat by Unfrozen0688 on Friday February 09, 2024 @02:35AM (#39312407)
For me, it's the stories of "how IT jobs suck" but it's not that IT jobs suck it is due to where you live.

Also the misunderstandings of how things work here.

OP said "Layoffs in the WFH era are weird"

Yes they are, but people here don't suddenly go offline quite as weird is what I was trying to get at.

Re:Figure out who's leaving the company: dump, diff, repeat by imtringued on Friday February 09, 2024 @02:31AM (#39312383)
Because people like you intentionally misinterpret and misrepresent what actually happens in Europe.