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Re:As Much as You Ever Wanted to Know About 155M Artillery S... by Throw73747 on Thursday February 08, 2024 @02:38AM (#39299362)
And shelling Donetsk City is somehow different?
Re:As Much as You Ever Wanted to Know About 155M Artillery S... by tehjoker on Thursday February 08, 2024 @02:41AM (#39299377)
I am also against the Ukraine war and believe a peaceful settlement is possible. NATO (the US) is using Ukraine to fight Russia to the last Ukrainian, though having to fight two wars at once is causing them to rethink their position.

ICJ did rule against Russia, and it makes sense since they invaded, but the roots of the conflict go back to attacks on Donetsk like you say since 2014 and various aggressive moves by NATO since 1991 in violation of the gentleman's agreement.

Basically, the US should not be supplying arms to these conflicts.

Re:As Much as You Ever Wanted to Know About 155M Artillery S... by Zetobal on Thursday February 08, 2024 @03:45AM (#39299741)
gentleman's agreement... what a weird way to say there was no agreement.
Re:As Much as You Ever Wanted to Know About 155M Artillery S... by clarionbell on Thursday February 08, 2024 @04:16AM (#39299940)
Don't you know. Russians never mastered the art of written treaties. The Soviets were confused and thought that pinky swear (after all of the deception of cold war) is guarantee of future power sharing :D
Re:As Much as You Ever Wanted to Know About 155M Artillery S... by tehjoker on Thursday February 08, 2024 @12:14PM (#39304589)
It's not a big deal to admit that Gorbachev was a weak leader that gave away too much and aided the fall of the USSR.
Re:As Much as You Ever Wanted to Know About 155M Artillery S... by justsomehnguy on Thursday February 08, 2024 @08:27PM (#39310283)
> :D

It's always refreshing to see what the West never does what it says, never did.

Re:As Much as You Ever Wanted to Know About 155M Artillery S... by roca on Thursday February 08, 2024 @04:39AM (#39300068)
> NATO (the US) is using Ukraine to fight Russia to the last Ukrainian

So you believe that most Ukrainians actually want to surrender to Russia?

Re:As Much as You Ever Wanted to Know About 155M Artillery S... by pastacacioepepe on Thursday February 08, 2024 @05:08AM (#39300252)
Maybe not 1/2 years ago, but look at the hundreds of videos of Ukrainian citizens being forcedly taken from the streets and thrown into the frontlines only to die shortly after. There were many voluntaries when the war started, now UA forced recruitment attempts are met with civilians filming and trying to stop them.
Re:As Much as You Ever Wanted to Know About 155M Artillery S... by Paradigma11 on Thursday February 08, 2024 @05:50AM (#39300505)
Here is Gorbachev about the gentleman's agreement: https://twitter.com/i/status/1749887239226617873
Re:As Much as You Ever Wanted to Know About 155M Artillery S... by baud147258 on Thursday February 08, 2024 @07:49AM (#39301331)
> various aggressive moves by NATO since 1991 in violation of the gentleman's agreement.

gentleman's agreement, which was never acknowledge by the US and was with the previous regime, unlike the written agreement _Russia_ signed recognizing Ukraine's independence and sovereignty, with their 1994 borders. And NATO wouldn't have expanded East if the countries in Eastern Europe didn't feel a need to join a defensive alliance.

Re:As Much as You Ever Wanted to Know About 155M Artillery S... by khokhol on Thursday February 08, 2024 @01:15PM (#39305444)
The roots of the conflict go back to attacks on Donetsk and moves by NATO since 1991

All I can tell you is -- just because intellectual-sounding people like Chomsky, Mearsheimer et al; not to mention Putin himself -- whom you are apparently cribbing from, knowingly or otherwise -- say things like this, doesn't make it so. If you actually walk back and look at the event chronology you'll find there's no substantial basis for either of these narratives.

NATO (the US) is using Ukraine to fight Russia to the last Ukrainian,

The implication you are making here is that the Ukrainians at large have no real agency in the situation, and basically have no idea why they're actually fighting.