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Re:After Libs of TikTok posted, at least 21 bomb threats fol... by richbell on Wednesday February 07, 2024 @03:09PM (#39293611)
> What they are doing is finding posts from queer children, teachers, or parents, adding a line that frames it as inherently pedophilic or something

Can you provide some examples of this? "Pedophilic or something" is pretty open-ended.

Re:After Libs of TikTok posted, at least 21 bomb threats fol... by logicprog on Wednesday February 07, 2024 @03:22PM (#39293755)
Sure. Her main bread and butter is taking video clips out of context to try to prove that trans kids are the victims of "parents with munchausen's by proxy" and "doctors who want to experiment on innocent children", and that queer people just existing in the world around kids is somehow inherently "grooming" them, as well as that queer teachers are grooming kids, that suicide prevention hotlines for trans kids are grooming them, that lgbtq aid organizations for kids are grooming them, etc. This article covers the basics but it is so much more extensive: https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2022/04/chaya-raichik-li.... Just go look at her substack.
Re:After Libs of TikTok posted, at least 21 bomb threats fol... by jrflowers on Wednesday February 07, 2024 @03:12PM (#39293646)
From the article:

>Raichik posted that the school offers a “pornographic” book in its library that “teaches kids about gay sex.”

Re:After Libs of TikTok posted, at least 21 bomb threats fol... by richbell on Wednesday February 07, 2024 @03:17PM (#39293693)
I read the article. Claiming thst something is inappropriate is not the same as claiming it's pedophilic.
Re:After Libs of TikTok posted, at least 21 bomb threats fol... by jrflowers on Wednesday February 07, 2024 @03:22PM (#39293753)
Also in the article

> Libs of TikTok’s post said it happened “in front of children.” Anthony said no children were present. He was clothed and laughing in the video.

I suppose if your point is that “if they don’t say the word pedophile they are not insinuating anything to that effect” then you are correct. If insinuation is not something that exists, the argument that there is no connection between the libsoftiktok posts and the bomb threats makes sense.

From this article: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/lgbtq-book-bans-librarian-vir...

> Libs of TikTok claimed that I was a pedophile and a groomer for trying to get my students to read.

These examples are not hard to find

Re:After Libs of TikTok posted, at least 21 bomb threats fol... by richbell on Wednesday February 07, 2024 @03:27PM (#39293828)
Again, that is not the same as claiming the mayor or any participants are pedophiles.

As far as children being present, see my comment elsewhere: https://news.ycombinator.com/context?id=39293774

Re:After Libs of TikTok posted, at least 21 bomb threats fol... by jrflowers on Wednesday February 07, 2024 @03:28PM (#39293838)
Re:After Libs of TikTok posted, at least 21 bomb threats fol... by richbell on Wednesday February 07, 2024 @07:20PM (#39296141)
> These examples are not hard to find

Is there a copy of the inciting video available somewhere? The article didn't seem to include it.

That does seem damning, if true to how the article described it.

Re:After Libs of TikTok posted, at least 21 bomb threats fol... by dekhn on Wednesday February 07, 2024 @08:04PM (#39296540)
Stop being obtuse (pretending to be naive) and just do your own research.
Re:After Libs of TikTok posted, at least 21 bomb threats fol... by richbell on Thursday February 08, 2024 @06:25AM (#39300707)
> Stop being obtuse (pretending to be naive) and just do your own research.

I have, and what I've found does not support the claims that people are making. Granted, Twitter, Instagram, and TikTok are quite difficult to browse without an account/app, so I acknowledge it's possible that things exist I haven't been able to find.

I find it bizarre how aggressive people are getting in response to me asking for concrete examples.

Re:After Libs of TikTok posted, at least 21 bomb threats fol... by jrflowers on Monday February 12, 2024 @02:11AM (#39342311)
> Granted, Twitter, Instagram, and TikTok are quite difficult to browse without an account/app, so I acknowledge it's possible that things exist I haven't been able to find.

What have you found without accounts on these platforms and how are you confident in what you’ve concluded given that limitation?

Re:After Libs of TikTok posted, at least 21 bomb threats fol... by jrflowers on Thursday February 08, 2024 @03:16PM (#39307060)
You’re responding to a type of comedy bit. Rich doesn’t want to post “I think the complaints about libsoftiktok are made up” because explaining why that is isn’t as entertaining as simply making disagreeing with that position as tedious as possible. Rather than trying to convince other people of this position, it is more fun to flat out refuse to do any research at all — and then move the goalposts once somebody falls for the bait.

For example, I actually answered Rich’s last question but didn’t get a reply because it didn’t fit into the bit.

Re:After Libs of TikTok posted, at least 21 bomb threats fol... by dekhn on Thursday February 08, 2024 @05:07PM (#39308452)
Well, I was trying to figure out which category he fit into: sealioning, trolling, intensionally obtuse, emotionless pedant, naive internet sleuth, lazy internet sleuth, and even "completely serious fact-finder with no agenda". I think your "comedy" falls under "trolling" but I'd also be prepared for him being a completely serious fact-finder who truly believes that people are just lying. I've kind of lost interest because he's not contributing anything to the discussion.
Re:After Libs of TikTok posted, at least 21 bomb threats fol... by jrflowers on Thursday February 08, 2024 @06:16PM (#39309134)
I’ve never heard the term sealioning, that’s super useful! Yeah I would file this bit under that umbrella, as serious fact-finders would (in this case) do a 10 second search themselves, whereas “prove libsoftiktok is malignant here on this page, the comments section of a hacker news post” isn’t a hallmark of good faith engagement.
Re:After Libs of TikTok posted, at least 21 bomb threats fol... by richbell on Sunday February 11, 2024 @12:00AM (#39332767)
> For example, I actually answered Rich’s last question but didn’t get a reply because it didn’t fit into the bit.

You didn't get a reply because I haven't been on the site.

You also didn't answer my question. You posted a blog post alleging that specific claims had been made. I acknowledged that the allegations seemed serious and asked if the video in question was available to be viewed, to which you simply responded "no."

Saying "you can easily find examples" is disingenuous when many of the examples are making or repeating claims that are either unsourced or with dubious evidence. For example, the linked article seems to omit context that took me "10 seconds" to find.

Re:After Libs of TikTok posted, at least 21 bomb threats fol... by jrflowers on Monday February 12, 2024 @02:07AM (#39342290)
I love this bit. Have you posted a write up of what you’ve found that indicates that the complaints about libsoftiktok are made up? I’m guessing you have even more links to post in the two days between your posting this on this site:

>I have, and what I've found does not support the claims that people are making.

and your reply to me!

Re:After Libs of TikTok posted, at least 21 bomb threats fol... by jrflowers on Wednesday February 07, 2024 @11:39PM (#39298227)
No
Re:After Libs of TikTok posted, at least 21 bomb threats fol... by chrsig on Wednesday February 07, 2024 @03:19PM (#39293725)
Hence "or something"
Re:After Libs of TikTok posted, at least 21 bomb threats fol... by richbell on Wednesday February 07, 2024 @03:25PM (#39293807)
My point is specifically that saying "pedophilia or something" is disingenuous. "Or something" could be completely innocuous.
Re:After Libs of TikTok posted, at least 21 bomb threats fol... by logicprog on Wednesday February 07, 2024 @03:43PM (#39294038)
I mean, the assumption I was operating under was that someone would see that something in the context of the previous part of that conjunction and assume I meant something in the same vein, or at the same level of seriousness. In the same way that someone could say "I think I got stabbed or something" and you wouldn't assume that the something to which they referred might be a hangnail. But this is The Playbook people who don't want to acknowledge what the right is doing use all the time: play dumb, like you can't understand basic language or logic that you would otherwise completely understand in any other context, and require everyone to do every ounce of the research and work for you in finding you evidence for every statement made, in order to raise the barrier of effort until the other person gives up, while maintaining the appearance of neutrality.
Re:After Libs of TikTok posted, at least 21 bomb threats fol... by hmcq6 on Wednesday February 07, 2024 @03:38PM (#39293984)
> My point is specifically that saying "pedophilia or something" is disingenuous

But it wasn't. You just assumed it was because you weren't immediately provided evidence you could have just as easily found yourself.

Re:After Libs of TikTok posted, at least 21 bomb threats fol... by dekhn on Wednesday February 07, 2024 @06:36PM (#39295805)
Is being pedantic about this adding anything to the conversation?

What the site does is not innocuous; we already know that.

Re:After Libs of TikTok posted, at least 21 bomb threats fol... by richbell on Wednesday February 07, 2024 @07:27PM (#39296206)
> Is being pedantic about this adding anything to the conversation?

Asking for specific examples to substantiate serious allegations is not "being pedantic." This is a divisive topic, passing around potentially untrue or exaggerated claims only muddies the water.

Re:After Libs of TikTok posted, at least 21 bomb threats fol... by hmcq6 on Wednesday February 07, 2024 @03:25PM (#39293803)