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Re:The Perverse Policies That Fuel Wildfires by Arrath on Tuesday February 06, 2024 @04:33PM (#39280970)
> Is there a way to build permanent housing in parts of California that are prone to fires even with controlled burns?

Absolutely. A good starting point is to look to Australia's regulations for construction materials, methods, water storage and setback/firebreak requirements, etc. for fire safety in bushfire prone areas.

While it may be picturesque to have your house or cabin nestled in amongst the forest, your fire survivability is Zero.

Re:The Perverse Policies That Fuel Wildfires by EdwardDiego on Tuesday February 06, 2024 @04:52PM (#39281213)
The fact that people can go build a house in the middle of bush that's renowned, sometimes even evolved for, for fire, strikes me as nuts.

Especially when volunteer firefighters then have to risk their lives to save people with the lovely view. (Ditto California...)

Re:The Perverse Policies That Fuel Wildfires by mtnGoat on Tuesday February 06, 2024 @05:26PM (#39281671)
I don’t know anyone working on wildfires in the United States for free. Not saying there is no risk, but they are paid and understand the risks. Some nice neighbors have their own contract fire crews, which are not cheap.
Re:The Perverse Policies That Fuel Wildfires by Quarrel on Tuesday February 06, 2024 @06:19PM (#39282260)
In Australia, "most" rural firefighters are volunteers, but have equipment and training providing by their local Government run rural fireservice (that has fulltime paid administrators).

The population density between Australia and the US is radically different though which changes the dynamic (deserts and marginal land exist in both, but Australia is particularly water challenged with no high mountains, so no major rivers).

Re:The Perverse Policies That Fuel Wildfires by blackguardx on Tuesday February 06, 2024 @06:57PM (#39282664)
I know folks that are volunteer wildfire firefighters in Colorado and in California they were enlisting prisoners and paying them very low wages.
Re:The Perverse Policies That Fuel Wildfires by EdwardDiego on Wednesday February 07, 2024 @01:46PM (#39292509)
Fun fact, NZ and Australian volunteer rural fire-fighters often fly in to help out with bad fire seasons in California. It's good practice.
Re:The Perverse Policies That Fuel Wildfires by mistrial9 on Tuesday February 06, 2024 @10:12PM (#39284003)
this happened with some East Coast settlers moving to California after 1870 or so.. many areas known for fire now were the sites of fine home building with expensive techniques and materials, plus the lower quality homes or whatever. English speaking people apparently did not get the memo?
Re:The Perverse Policies That Fuel Wildfires by taneq on Tuesday February 06, 2024 @04:39PM (#39281044)
Even so, we lose plenty of houses because people want to live ‘out in the bush’ but don’t want to do all of these things.
Re:The Perverse Policies That Fuel Wildfires by Arrath on Tuesday February 06, 2024 @04:42PM (#39281082)
Oh its certainly not foolproof, but better than what we usually do here in the states.
Re:The Perverse Policies That Fuel Wildfires by taneq on Tuesday February 06, 2024 @05:05PM (#39281392)
Yeah, hopefully the forestry people over there realise that hazard reduction burns aren’t optional if you’re gonna build houses in the forest and then expect it to not burn down.