Personally, I haven't really seen any "Nazis" on Twitter that I keep hearing about (though that probably depends on the definition), I'm just excited about Bluesky because it has an open API that's not controlled by one dumb guy who can shut down whole businesses like Tapbots with a flip of a switch or decide that $100 per month is a fair price for "hobbyists" to use it... but I guess I'm probably an outlier.

There a tons of truly vile fediverse instances.

But fediverse isn't run by one man that personally uses his position to push those opinions.

I think the difference is that moderation is easier on the fediverse (as well as on Bluesky). If you want that vile content you kind of have to either be in that circle your self, or you have to explicitly look for it. On Bluesky there are popular mute and blocklists, hateful accounts get mass blocked, and engagements around hateful content is diminished (not proliferated like on Twitter). The Fediverse is even more so, where whole servers are mass blocked by because hateful content is allowed to fester.

Someone has to do it though. A default federate-everything install will, well, federate everything.

Sort of. Somebody still has to follow the other or find a post from outside their server and comment on it before any communication takes place. How likely that is depends on who's on your server.

If you're hosting people who already have a large audience, or are especially vulnerable to harassment, that's probably going to happen sooner or later and it would be wise to craft or copy a denylist before it does.

I run my own Mastodon server and I've never had to take any moderation actions with a few hundred followers. I know the names of a few vile servers and can't recall seeing them among my followers. I suspect I'm fortunate in just not being interesting enough to vile people.

True, but apart from moderation, the engagement driven algorithm on Twitter also does a ton to proliferate vile content. On the federated platform the algorithms tend to be simply chronological and limit the content to account you explicitly follow. Meaning there is way less exposure to undesired content. One of your follows must be the one to repost it (which may warrant an unfollow or mute, etc.) or you must opt into an algorithm that gives you unwanted content (which you may then simply swap out for a better one).

.. and I as a mastodon server admin can just unilaterally block them at the behest and for the benefit of my users.

Yes which is a feature of the fediverse, not a bug.

If the admin blocks an instance it's either a community you as a user won't want to be interacting with, or the user has chosen the wrong instance for them to be on.

I don't know why people say that every instance not federating with every other is a bad thing. It's not. I definitely don't want to interact with the extreme right instances around so I choose one that I feel at home with and that has them all blocked. I think that's the beauty of the system.

No, it's a bug, not feature. Those content should not flow into your timeline if your friends are all nice and vile accounts are banned on your instance. The fact that instance owners not just can, nor just do, but HAVE TO block a bunch of demonized instances as a checkbox obligation and compromise and virtue signaling is a bug.

How my community wants to operate is not beholden to your standards if my instance wants to block the stormfront mastodon instance it's going to and nothing you say is going to make anyone on my instance change their minds about that.

I have not seen any evidence of any major instance ban another instance because it refuses to ban yet another instance. There would be no reason for that. Messages from the controversial instance still won't make it to the instance that demands the 'virtual signaling' even through my instance.. unless some user on my instance essentailly quotes whole posts.

On the Icelandic twitter, Nazis—or at the very least extremely and explicitly xenophobic rhetoric—has been getting more and more prominent. There was a time where you could look past it for the most part, but currently every time I go on Twitter I’ll spot a very hateful comment or two.

It may be that most of my circle has migrated over to Bluesky and the only people left on Icelandic twitter are either public figures or nazis. So the nazi content is just a greater proportion of the diminished Icelandic content. Or that nazis feel empowered inside the current Twitter atmosphere, which honestly is very scary to think of. I tend to think that the reason is a mix of both.

How does Iceland end up with Nazis? Isnt Polish your largest non-native ethnicity? Don’t think they were exactly fans, by and large.

> Personally, I haven't really seen any "Nazis" on Twitter ... but I guess I'm probably an outlier.

Or a Nazi yourself. "Waaaaaaahhhh no protections for people!!!!" "Also, I can't look around a room full of Nazis and see any Nazis. I am not the problem."

Lmao americans bruh

What

(not an American, been to the US once for 3 weeks)

This reminds me of one of those old jokes where someone is called stupid and ugly and they respond "I'm not ugly".

The response to the first line was contained in the "What" because I was speechless

I’m talking stormfront reading kill-all-the-Jews actual Nazis.

Yikes :| Yeah so luckily I've never come across those...

If you've ever seen someone chanting "From the river to the sea", that's a euphemism for "kill all the Jews"

No it is not. In the mainstream, is either that Palestinians should have full access to their historical lands, or at its extreme that it should be a fully Palestinian state. Of course some people on the fringes take it further. From the now hard-right Israeli side, Likud literally used this expression in its initial charter[1], and N. dog whistled it in recent statements about two states.

1. https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/original-party-platform...

That's very far, etnically and ideologically, from "Stomfront nazis" though.

In my experience, these kind of extremists kinda get banned immediately. I might be wrong though: do you have any example of right-wing accounts publicly saying that one entire ethnic group should be killed?

There a fediverse instances that are explicit homes for such content. I don’t read them. They are blocked from most mainstream servers.

Apologies, I thought you were talking of X / Twitter.

That's surprising. Before I left twitter I had probably came across more than ten accounts that were openly white supremacist or explicitly calling for the extermination of the Jewish race

I didn’t understand why people kept saying there were so many nazis on Twitter. I thought that maybe people had less tolerance for spicy replies and such.

Then Elon turned off the app access and I had to use the official app. There they were! White supremacists, algorithmically injected straight into my feed.