Re:OKRs Are Bullshit
by scott_w on Tuesday February 06, 2024 @04:17AM
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I have a comment with my own issues with OKRs but I do want to stick up for OKRs here: this really is a management problem and, let's be honest, they'd have fucked up any framework that was put in place (and a lack of framework would have probably been just as bad!)
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Re:OKRs Are Bullshit
by datadrivenangel on Tuesday February 06, 2024 @10:40AM
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The problem is bad management. A handful of incompetent people can really mess up an organization.
Yes but it's always framed as a failure of either procedure or the people they manage that failed them. Management itself can never fail it can only be failed
Re:OKRs Are Bullshit
by mardifoufs on Tuesday February 06, 2024 @05:10PM
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Do you blame Word for documents that make 0 sense because the contents are incoherent? Because that's basically what's happening here. The OKR in question were non nonsense and contradictory, but that's completely irrelevant to if OKRs are useful or not.
Well, it should at least settle any claim that OKRs are useful in themselves. They need to be useful to be useful. "Useful things are useful" would make for a very short management book though.
We're also getting very close to a "no true scotsman" argument. If something has been tried several times and the outcome never came out as expected, maybe there's something more to it than that it wasn't implemented completely right. Not everything that's good in theory is useful in the real world.