Ah, I thought HN was anti-copyright.

yep, all HN users agree on all topics. That's why there are never any disagreements.

I'm anti-corporations who exploit every artist on the internet.

So open source models are OK? No corporation benefits from that. What about people who are learning to be artists? Should they have to license works before they observe them? They can't be incorporating elements from other artists without payingnthem, surely.

I see a lot of this knee jerk generative algorithm bad on twitter, reddit, and spaces like that. Hopefully HN can be more nuanced.

Information wants to be free. That doesn't stop being true when the information is art.

Open source models are built on VC capital and stolen labor.

Obviously your bullshit point about artists learning to be artists is bullshit. AI art models are not people. Bringing up how people learn is completely irrelevant to the regulation of these models. Artists are happy to teach other artists because it actually grows the artistic community and maintains the skills humanity needs to produce art. Obviously they feel differently when some corporate tech bro fuck who isn't part of the community extracts the value from millions of people at an industrial scale to produce a computer program to displace them and threaten their livelihoods. This is easy to understand and no amount of handwringing and anthropomorphizing will change these facts.

When we don't live under a capitalist economy, maybe we can talk about your entitlement to other people's work. Until then, professional creatives need to eat and pay rent, so fuck off.

It is no different than any other time in history. No one cared when blue collar workers were being automated but when suddenly it's my white collar job?

A lot of people cared very much but we elected Reagan twice in the 80s so he we are. They've also been trying (and failing) to automate and outsource programming for decades. There's also a pretty big difference between the automation of repetitive assembly line tasks and the automation of culture itself imo.

I think I've talked to you before on threads about AI so I won't belabor my points any longer but just know that while you believe them to be different, many don't.