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Re:Apple Vision Pro review: magic, until it's not by pivo on Tuesday January 30, 2024 @10:00AM (#39190830)
Oh boy: "Listen to me, do you want to use a computer that is always looking at your hands?" It took a second for that warning to sink in.
Re:Apple Vision Pro review: magic, until it's not by bombcar on Tuesday January 30, 2024 @10:08AM (#39190934)
Someone at Apple had to design the watch to detect certain hand motions and purposely ignore them. That's a thing that someone had to do, otherwise false positives would be embarrassingly pasted across the Internet for to be laughed at.
Re:Apple Vision Pro review: magic, until it's not by brookst on Tuesday January 30, 2024 @10:24AM (#39191159)
No, it’s all ML models. It is very unlikely that an ML model trained on wrist motions for walking and running would falsely report steps for… other activities.
Re:Apple Vision Pro review: magic, until it's not by planede on Tuesday January 30, 2024 @10:37AM (#39191319)
They possibly had to include training data tagged with "inactive" though, including that.
Re:Apple Vision Pro review: magic, until it's not by nox101 on Tuesday January 30, 2024 @11:05AM (#39191740)
One of the reasons I got rid of my apple watch is because it would congratulate me for successfuly completing my exercise for the day just from turning over on the sofa. It would also tell me how good I slept when I forgot to wear it to bed. So, at least for me, that ML doesn't work
Re:Apple Vision Pro review: magic, until it's not by ThalesX on Tuesday January 30, 2024 @11:20AM (#39191933)
I didn't give it up, but I did laugh one morning at 2:30AM, laying in bed, dozing off and getting startled by the watch telling me I've been sitting for awhile and it suggests I get up and move a bit.
Re:Apple Vision Pro review: magic, until it's not by bombcar on Tuesday January 30, 2024 @11:54AM (#39192405)
It's rare, but I've been woken up at least once by a "congratulations on completing your stand/exercise!".
Re:Apple Vision Pro review: magic, until it's not by brookst on Wednesday January 31, 2024 @10:07AM (#39204653)
Definitely weird, pretty sure that’s not what most people experience. But such is the statistical nature of ML; your particular movements on that particular sofa fooled it.
Re:Apple Vision Pro review: magic, until it's not by Hamuko on Tuesday January 30, 2024 @10:23AM (#39191146)
Shouldn't the watch be on your non-dominant hand?
Re:Apple Vision Pro review: magic, until it's not by Eric_WVGG on Tuesday January 30, 2024 @10:37AM (#39191310)
Why? (I switch wrists every six weeks ago because I think the tan line starts to look weird, it's similar usable from either)
Re:Apple Vision Pro review: magic, until it's not by Hamuko on Tuesday January 30, 2024 @10:40AM (#39191356)
Because it allows you to use your dominant hand to control it, and also your non-dominant hand is more often free than your dominant hand, so it's free to swing around when you walk and better count your steps.
Re:Apple Vision Pro review: magic, until it's not by addandsubtract on Tuesday January 30, 2024 @10:25AM (#39191172)
Wouldn't your dominant hand be on your mouse?
Re:Apple Vision Pro review: magic, until it's not by wharvle on Tuesday January 30, 2024 @11:07AM (#39191784)
There's either got to be a big generational gap on preference for this, or a lot of folks out there have developed mousing ambidexterity.
Re:Apple Vision Pro review: magic, until it's not by brewdad on Tuesday January 30, 2024 @05:54PM (#39197101)
I'm a lefty through and through in my sixth decade going around the sun. Mousing with my left hand is weird. Like completely wrong. Even on a touchpad I tend to "mouse" with my right hand.
Re:Apple Vision Pro review: magic, until it's not by johnnyanmac on Tuesday January 30, 2024 @11:01PM (#39199732)
Some lefty's do. I use the mouse right handed and even hold a guitar right handed. Some things you just train yourself to conform to society with. Kind of a shame I'm not an artist because I can have an amazing setup with a drawing tablet, keyboard, and mouse that is all at my beck and call.

(and... that, with my off hand as well. No clue why. I guess I hold a screen with my dominant hand?).

Re:Apple Vision Pro review: magic, until it's not by Hamuko on Tuesday January 30, 2024 @10:26AM (#39191185)
Re:Apple Vision Pro review: magic, until it's not by swozey on Tuesday January 30, 2024 @10:47AM (#39191461)
lol, it doesn't show in the shortened url. I clicked this and read other things then went to that tab and went "wtf was I looking up here?"

possibly nsfw if you work for the puritans and love kelloggs

Re:Apple Vision Pro review: magic, until it's not by michaelt on Tuesday January 30, 2024 @10:56AM (#39191594)
That's all very well for the folks who only need one hand...
Re:Apple Vision Pro review: magic, until it's not by solarkraft on Tuesday January 30, 2024 @11:54AM (#39192419)
I think we're past that. Our phones have already seen so many things we could find embarrassing.

One smart thing Apple usually does when using cameras for sensing (see Face ID) is never showing you the image, making it feel a lot less creepy.

Re:Apple Vision Pro review: magic, until it's not by gvurrdon on Wednesday January 31, 2024 @07:00AM (#39202760)
A good point. Going into a supermarket I know I'll be filmed, but will avoid self-checkouts where I'm shown a live video of my exciting checkout experience as it does make it feel a lot creepier.
Re:Apple Vision Pro review: magic, until it's not by LeafItAlone on Tuesday January 30, 2024 @11:37AM (#39192163)
I’d wager most people take their phones in into the bathroom with them and use them on the toilet. I’ve even seen people on video calls in public restrooms!

I honestly don’t think the general public is all that concerned.

(But I am)

Re:Apple Vision Pro review: magic, until it's not by addandsubtract on Tuesday January 30, 2024 @10:24AM (#39191164)
The video also offers a solution. Obscure the view of your hands from the camera(s).
Re:Apple Vision Pro review: magic, until it's not by chaostheory on Tuesday January 30, 2024 @10:17AM (#39191051)
“Hands”

Yeah, but at least Apple focuses on privacy