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Re:How to do things if you're not that smart and don't have ... by Jensson on Tuesday January 30, 2024 @07:59AM (#39189572)
Note that those pills fixes focus, not motivation. Even with pills you will fail if your motivation falters, just like regular people.

I think the main tell of ADHD is if you feel you lack motivation to complete simple but tedious tasks that has high rewards that you really care about. In that case you don't lack motivation, you really care about the reward, you don't lack confidence since the task is simple, you just lack the ability to focus on simple tasks.

Having a hard time doing tasks you don't care about or tasks you are afraid of failing isn't ADHD, that is just normal. That includes schoolwork if you don't care about grades or feel you will fail anyway, and so on.

Re:How to do things if you're not that smart and don't have ... by corobo on Tuesday January 30, 2024 @08:27AM (#39189827)
I wish I had the "draw the rest of the owl" part but the thing that clicked for me was this comic (apologies for the rehost, couldn't find the original)

https://img.imgy.org/rwdQ.jpg

Motivation is too fleeting to rely on it to get you through the entire project. Use any rare moments of motivation to practice discipline rather than go into a project raw

Again sorry I don't have the how-to, (un)fortunately just seeing this comic clicked things together for me. If I can ever figure out how to put it into words I will do.

Personally I picture the lil motivation guy in my mind powering up the big discipline guy and it's often enough to get me off my arse and into gear.. at least, it's worked so far. I'll probably have to find another method when the novelty wears off. ADHD gonna ADHD haha.

Of course I am aware that this doesn't fix ADHD. If it did I'd be a millionaire already. If it helps like 1 time out of 100 it's worth thinking about, right?

Re:How to do things if you're not that smart and don't have ... by Apocryphon on Tuesday January 30, 2024 @12:16PM (#39192777)
Re:How to do things if you're not that smart and don't have ... by hasbot on Tuesday January 30, 2024 @08:29AM (#39189853)
This recent study finds that amphetamines do help with motivation: https://www.jneurosci.org/content/43/41/6898

> I think the main tell of ADHD is if you feel you lack motivation to complete simple but tedious tasks that has high rewards that you really care about.

You might be right, but, at least for me, the number of tasks that meet that criteria is too low to a useful metric.

Re:How to do things if you're not that smart and don't have ... by Jensson on Tuesday January 30, 2024 @08:38AM (#39189944)
They measure motivation by how hard the person works at achieving that goal, of course if you measure it that way the pills will "increase motivation". ADHD isn't a failure of motivation, it is a failure to put in effort doing stuff you are motivated to do. It doesn't magically make you motivated to do stuff you don't care about.

> You might be right, but, at least for me, the number of tasks that meet that criteria is too low to a useful metric.

Do you file taxes? Pay your bills? Those are simple and high reward tasks, every persons life is filled with such things.

Re:How to do things if you're not that smart and don't have ... by hasbot on Tuesday January 30, 2024 @08:50AM (#39190067)
Doing taxes and bills are not what I consider high reward more like moderate penalty. And, no, I don't pay my bills: everything is auto-pay.
Re:How to do things if you're not that smart and don't have ... by Jensson on Tuesday January 30, 2024 @09:00AM (#39190181)
> Doing taxes and bills are not what I consider high reward more like moderate penalty

Try not paying bills or filing your taxes and you will see what happens, doing the task prevents you from getting a severe punishment (relative time spent on the task), so it is high reward. People with ADHD tend to be late paying bills or doing taxes and struggle with filling in forms in general, ie they regularly fail to do simple high reward tasks.

Re:How to do things if you're not that smart and don't have ... by hasbot on Tuesday January 30, 2024 @09:18AM (#39190357)
How sad would it be if most or all of my "high reward" tasks are anti-"severe punishment?"
Re:How to do things if you're not that smart and don't have ... by hirvi74 on Tuesday January 30, 2024 @03:40PM (#39195471)
Are you implying that there is some other way to live? Because if so, then please help me find it lol.
Re:How to do things if you're not that smart and don't have ... by hasbot on Tuesday January 30, 2024 @05:56PM (#39197119)
I hope there is some other way but clearly I don't know it.
Re:How to do things if you're not that smart and don't have ... by corobo on Tuesday January 30, 2024 @09:28AM (#39190469)
Me browsing HN instead of filling out an invoice so I can get paid so I can pay my tax bill before the end of tomorrow haha. Fiine, I'll get back to it after this comment..

> You’ll pay a late filing penalty of £100 if your tax return is up to 3 months late

As ADHD taxes go this one's pretty chill. It's a decent chunk of change sure but compared to the rest of my finances (legacy pre-diagnosis debts I'm still grinding down).. it's on the low end lmao

Re:How to do things if you're not that smart and don't have ... by corobo on Tuesday January 30, 2024 @02:33PM (#39194570)
Got it done in time. Cheers for the motivation, HN! :)
Re:How to do things if you're not that smart and don't have ... by sph on Tuesday January 30, 2024 @08:32AM (#39189882)
> Note that those pills fixes focus, not motivation.

Very true, but focus is crucial. If you have focus, motivation is "just" about learning good habits. If you have focus, the Pomodoro technique works. If you have focus, the common advice to "just do 5 minutes" actually works. Without focus any form of habit is impossible.

I feel people believe stimulants are only useful to get through the boring tasks. The issue with ADHD is that you cannot muster the strength to do the meaningful stuff you want to do. That is the soul-destroying problem.

Re:How to do things if you're not that smart and don't have ... by hirvi74 on Tuesday January 30, 2024 @03:06PM (#39194999)
> The issue with ADHD is that you cannot muster the strength to do the meaningful stuff you want to do.

Even medication doesn't help with this for me. I am basically nonfunctional without external motivation and/or fear of consequences.