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Re:Oxide Computer releases distribution of illumos intended ... by newsclues on Monday January 29, 2024 @04:25PM (#39182881)
I hope they sooner or later release a smaller, cheaper, homelab product for people to learn or for startups that will lead to future rack sales or workers.
Re:Oxide Computer releases distribution of illumos intended ... by whalesalad on Monday January 29, 2024 @08:39PM (#39185358)
can't wait to find liquidated oxide gear on ebay in 2035. all my current homelab gear is "ancient" enterprise gear like R720's etc
Re:Oxide Computer releases distribution of illumos intended ... by steveklabnik on Monday January 29, 2024 @04:38PM (#39183046)
This is a common request and we absolutely understand the desire, but I suspect such a thing, if ever, will be a long time off. Given that the product is designed as an entire rack, doing something like this would effectively be a different product for a different vertical, and we have to focus on our current business. Honestly it's kind of frustrating not being able to reciprocate the enthusiasm back in more than just words, but it is what it is.
Re:Oxide Computer releases distribution of illumos intended ... by amluto on Monday January 29, 2024 @06:26PM (#39184189)
For what it’s worth, there’s a somewhat common view at least in the Linux community that it’s important for hardware vendors to make their tech stack targetable from the office or home. This isn’t to be polite or to make money — it’s to foster adoption among developers, which drives sales.

Some examples:

x86 owned the desktop, workstation and laptop world for a long time. So everyone targeted x86, which made x86 the default in the datacenter. It was hard for ARM to break in and it mostly happened when AWS did it by fiat. If ARM had made some loss-leader actually useful laptops and workstations available, it might have happened sooner.

But x86 largely didn’t deploy AVX-512 in client machines, so people who wrote libraries only used it for fun or benchmarking, so it wasn’t widely used, and most users flubbed it anyway. (And might have gotten it right if they had the hardware on their desk.)

People target Nvidia datacenter GPUs. But people have targeted them for a long time, because they have them in their gaming machines too.

Xilinx used to push free academic gear quite hard, because that was a big lead into people learning how to use their gear.

So, if I were giving Oxide straightforward sales advice, absolutely don’t get distracted with small systems. But maybe, if Oxide thought of it as lead generation, Oxide should do it anyway. If I could buy something small enough to be affordable but big enough to be useful [0], I might get one. And I’d target it with my own stuff, and fix bugs, and evangelize it at little cost to Oxide.

[0] For me, maybe 100-150TB of spinning rust (or cheap NVMe or the ability to attach a JBOD), plus anywhere from 4-64 cores, in a format that works on 120V and fits in, say, 16U or less, at a credible price point, would be quite likely to net Oxide a sale. (Just one sale but still!) It could be sold as a developer thing, and there would be absolutely no expectation that it would perform like the real thing. If I found it awesome, I might buy a couple more. But I would also use it and make things work on it and talk about it, and if a whole bunch of people did this, Oxide might get a bunch of real sales.

(Also, I get the idea behind two SKUs, but can buyers at least configure storage and compute separately? Different workloads need radically different ratios.)

Re:Oxide Computer releases distribution of illumos intended ... by steveklabnik on Monday January 29, 2024 @06:45PM (#39184368)
I certainly understand that strategy generally, see also Adobe giving Photoshop licenses to students back in the day so that they'd be familiar professionally. It's just that doing so amounts to building an entirely new product, and as a relatively young startup, focus is more important. We're going deep, not wide. Someday :)

> (Also, I get the idea behind two SKUs, but can buyers at least configure storage and compute separately? Different workloads need radically different ratios.)

Right now, this early: no. Sleds have compute and storage located together, so the unit of customization is currently "number of sleds in the rack" which according to https://oxide.computer/product/specifications apparently is currently three, not two, at the moment: 16, 24 or 32 sleds.

You are right that these need to be different for certain customers and workloads, we just aren't ready to support those just yet. We'll get there. Same issue, different aspect.

Re:Oxide Computer releases distribution of illumos intended ... by newsclues on Monday January 29, 2024 @07:32PM (#39184793)
Until then maybe sell a few to schools to provision for student access?

A future of developers and CTOs who grew up with Oxide!

Re:Oxide Computer releases distribution of illumos intended ... by steveklabnik on Monday January 29, 2024 @07:56PM (#39184980)
My friends and I had a small server set up in college, and those were some of the best times of those years. :D
Re:Oxide Computer releases distribution of illumos intended ... by amluto on Monday January 29, 2024 @10:03PM (#39185932)
On reading the specs, you’re using 2.91TiB U.2 drives. On the list of “oh my gosh too much engineering and too many stock keeping units,” allowing them to be swapped for the much larger U.2 devices one can buy now seems fairly easy. In case there’s a potential thermal issue, most NVMe drives I’ve checked have active power states that are a bit slower but have reduced power consumption.

But Oxide is small and shouldn’t listen to me unless a customer asks for this.

Re:Oxide Computer releases distribution of illumos intended ... by mattclarkdotnet on Monday January 29, 2024 @11:23PM (#39186373)
See also Cloud Foundry, where the late arrival of something devs could use on a laptop was probably key to its failure to capture the market for PaaS.
Re:Oxide Computer releases distribution of illumos intended ... by mbreese on Monday January 29, 2024 @08:52PM (#39185454)
> This isn’t to be polite or to make money — it’s to foster adoption among developers, which drives sales.

I get that in theory… and it makes sense most of the time. I’m not sure it does this time though. You don’t exactly “target” Oxide as an OS or platform. Rather, you use it to run VMs on. Those VMs are whatever you want. Other than that, I’m not sure what else having a home-lab version of Oxide would look like.

A different competitor to Proxmox?

Re:Oxide Computer releases distribution of illumos intended ... by amluto on Monday January 29, 2024 @10:05PM (#39185943)
People target AWS and GCP and Azure, and they write actual code that interacts with them, do test deployments there, and do real deployments there.
Re:Oxide Computer releases distribution of illumos intended ... by mbreese on Tuesday January 30, 2024 @08:53AM (#39190102)
Right, but you need to be at a particularly high scale when you need to write code that directly interacts with a cloud provider. I can think of no use case where you are at that level that can also scale down to a home lab setup.

Yes, you can do slimmed down cloud deployments, but you're still not running the (actual) S3 or EC2 backends at home.

At most, you’re talking a K8s based deployment (for a workload that could scale up or down). But that’s also not at the level of working with Oxide directly. And I doubt Oxide wants to get into the business of selling access to their own public cloud.

Re:Oxide Computer releases distribution of illumos intended ... by newsclues on Monday January 29, 2024 @05:02PM (#39183336)
I appreciate the response, I totally understand and don’t expect it to materialize soon, but am still hopeful that someday it will be a possibility.
Re:Oxide Computer releases distribution of illumos intended ... by faitswulff on Monday January 29, 2024 @11:24PM (#39186377)
We'll have to wait for it to hit Groupon.