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Re:Florida House of Representatives approves bill to ban soc... by ceejayoz on Monday January 29, 2024 @10:59AM (#39177790)
Regulation worked remarkably well on smoking.
Re:Florida House of Representatives approves bill to ban soc... by anshumankmr on Monday January 29, 2024 @11:03AM (#39177854)
How so?
Re:Florida House of Representatives approves bill to ban soc... by ceejayoz on Monday January 29, 2024 @11:06AM (#39177889)
A massive, decades-long decline in the habit? Stemming from ad restrictions, warning labels, media campaigns, taxation, legal action by states/Feds, etc.
Re:Florida House of Representatives approves bill to ban soc... by akerl_ on Monday January 29, 2024 @11:23AM (#39178152)
This must be why there’s not 50 vape shops in my town with big neon signs.
Re:Florida House of Representatives approves bill to ban soc... by ceejayoz on Monday January 29, 2024 @11:45AM (#39178490)
Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see vaping turn into a prescription-only smoking cessation aid, but it's not smoking. I'm 100% happy with even a one-for-one replacement of smoking for vaping, even in kids, given the dramatically lower risk of resulting health problems.
Re:Florida House of Representatives approves bill to ban soc... by LynxInLA on Monday January 29, 2024 @11:23AM (#39178160)
Have you not seen people vaping at a young age now?
Re:Florida House of Representatives approves bill to ban soc... by ceejayoz on Monday January 29, 2024 @11:42AM (#39178441)
Vaping isn't the same thing as smoking.
Re:Florida House of Representatives approves bill to ban soc... by lbhdc on Monday January 29, 2024 @01:25PM (#39180128)
They are consuming nicotine, and tobacco companies are invested in / are the companies producing products in that space. It seems functionally to be the same.
Re:Florida House of Representatives approves bill to ban soc... by ceejayoz on Monday January 29, 2024 @01:28PM (#39180183)
Only if you ignore... a lot. Cancer rates, smoking sections in restaurants, the smell, the yellow grime and used butts sprinkled everywhere, the impact on asthmatics... Smoking a cigarette gets you a lot more than just the nicotine.

A smoker moving to vaping is an enormous benefit to health and society.

Re:Florida House of Representatives approves bill to ban soc... by lbhdc on Monday January 29, 2024 @01:30PM (#39180231)
That sounds like you are being disingenuous. Smoking sections haven't been a thing in the US for a long time (I went to the last one I could find around 2009). Waste from single use vapes is also a huge problem. Similarly there are health effects specific to vaping, time will tell if cancer is among them.
Re:Florida House of Representatives approves bill to ban soc... by ceejayoz on Monday January 29, 2024 @01:32PM (#39180247)
> Smoking sections haven't been a thing in the US for a long time...

Yes, the regulations that made this happen are good. That's my point.

> Waste from single use vapes is also a huge problem.

Nothing like the cigarette butts that used to be everywhere.

> Similarly there are health effects specific to vaping, time will tell if cancer is among them.

We've plenty of data to safely conclude vaping is safer than smoking tobacco. That doesn't make it safe, but it's absolutely safer.

Re:Florida House of Representatives approves bill to ban soc... by lbhdc on Monday January 29, 2024 @01:34PM (#39180297)
You aren't exactly disproving my point. It seems like vaping is close enough to smoking to say that it is functionally close enough to be equated.

But you have raised my curiosity about your relationship with vaping. Do you work in the industry?

Re:Florida House of Representatives approves bill to ban soc... by ceejayoz on Monday January 29, 2024 @01:37PM (#39180344)
> It seems like vaping is close enough to smoking to say that it is functionally close enough to be equated.

Bullshit. Both are nicotine delivery methods. One is far better for both individual and societal reasons. Water and whiskey are both wet, but that doesn't make them the same.

> But you have raised my curiosity about your relationship with vaping. Do you work in the industry?

No, nor do I vape/smoke. I'm just old enough to remember how shitty it was to have smokers everywhere, in a way that isn't the case for vapers... and I've seen the multi-decade decline in lung cancer incidence stats.

Re:Florida House of Representatives approves bill to ban soc... by huytersd on Monday January 29, 2024 @04:10PM (#39182651)
Nicotine by itself is harmless besides the addictiveness. A nicotine addiction is not going to drastically affect your mental state or cause socially disruptive behavior like domestic violence or armed robbery so it’s really nothing to be concerned about.
Re:Florida House of Representatives approves bill to ban soc... by sneak on Monday January 29, 2024 @01:32PM (#39180253)
No, they are not remotely the same. Nicotine isn’t really that harmful, but combustion byproducts very much are. Also the effects on bystanders are orders of magnitude better.

Most of the harm from smoking comes from the smoke, not the nicotine or associated addiction.

Re:Florida House of Representatives approves bill to ban soc... by LynxInLA on Monday January 29, 2024 @01:37PM (#39180345)
I agree it is different, but the jury is out on whether it is better. Banning "social media" is likely to push users to a "lite" version of it. I'm not convinced that will be better.
Re:Florida House of Representatives approves bill to ban soc... by bigfishrunning on Monday January 29, 2024 @02:26PM (#39181150)
I would call IRC "social media lite", and it is indeed better.
Re:Florida House of Representatives approves bill to ban soc... by blitzar on Monday January 29, 2024 @06:50PM (#39184406)
Vaping is way cooler than smoking.
Re:Florida House of Representatives approves bill to ban soc... by huytersd on Monday January 29, 2024 @04:09PM (#39182632)
Vaping (non flavored) vapes has basically a negligible impact on your health.
Re:Florida House of Representatives approves bill to ban soc... by brodouevencode on Monday January 29, 2024 @01:12PM (#39179869)
It's more influence than actual regulation enforcement. Smokers these days are seen as social pariahs in some circles.
Re:Florida House of Representatives approves bill to ban soc... by ScoutOrgo on Monday January 29, 2024 @01:57PM (#39180703)
You also had to go in store to buy cigarettes, so the application of regulation would work a little differently in the case of social media.
Re:Florida House of Representatives approves bill to ban soc... by jimt1234 on Monday January 29, 2024 @07:52PM (#39184948)
Growing up in the 80s, no one I knew avoided cigarettes because of regulations. Cigarettes were easy to get your hands on as a kid, even though it was illegal to sell to children. We avoided cigarettes because we had a general understanding of the health risks, because we knew our parents would beat our asses if they caught us smoking, and because smoking makes your clothes smell like shit.
Re:Florida House of Representatives approves bill to ban soc... by Jensson on Tuesday January 30, 2024 @01:32AM (#39187019)
Yet that wasn't enough to stop your generation from smoking, they added even more regulations and then the generation after yours stopped.