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Re:Ask HN: How to Get into Quantitative Trading? by MuffinFlavored on Friday January 26, 2024 @05:45PM (#39149835)
Slightly related: what are "big players" more likely to do to get exposure to the S&P directionally:

1. SPY shares long/short on margin/leverage

1. SPY options

1. SPX options

1. /ES e-mini futures

1. a blend of all

Does one trump another in popularity?

Re:Ask HN: How to Get into Quantitative Trading? by jleahy on Friday January 26, 2024 @05:50PM (#39149898)
ES trumps the others.
Re:Ask HN: How to Get into Quantitative Trading? by MuffinFlavored on Friday January 26, 2024 @05:53PM (#39149931)
Nice, thanks. I wonder by how much. Here is why I ask:

a lot of technical analysis is done on psychological levels related to (in my opinion) SPY strike prices/SPX strike prices/SPX levels.

Yet, /ES is typically 20 points ahead of SPX. For example, there can be a battle zone of support/resistance at 4900 on SPX, but /ES blew past it a day ago. I wasn't sure if one had more power/prominence than the other.

Re:Ask HN: How to Get into Quantitative Trading? by jleahy on Friday January 26, 2024 @06:10PM (#39150111)
The spread between SPX and ES is purely mechanical. It’s a function of expected future interest rates and dividends over the remaining life of the future.

There is no such thing as support/resistance in reality.

Re:Ask HN: How to Get into Quantitative Trading? by MuffinFlavored on Friday January 26, 2024 @07:27PM (#39150886)
> There is no such thing as support/resistance in reality.

Where would you say 80% of the daily trade volume comes from on average?

The powers to be that I can think of:

institutional investors / fund managers slowly reallocating (selling stuff off, buying stuff) daily

high frequency trading algorithms trading shares back and forth to each other in an artificial way to generate synthetic volume/movement

market makers reacting to option chain volume to remain neutral

"hedge funds" / "quant funds" running their algorithm

what do those algorithms look for at the "minute by minute" scale if not things like support/resistance/patterns/volume?

Re:Ask HN: How to Get into Quantitative Trading? by jleahy on Saturday January 27, 2024 @03:09PM (#39159319)
In my experience a large % of the daily trade volume comes from me.
Re:Ask HN: How to Get into Quantitative Trading? by nurettin on Saturday January 27, 2024 @01:29AM (#39153171)
it's usually front month ES, depending on volume. And MES for smaller accounts.
Re:Ask HN: How to Get into Quantitative Trading? by MuffinFlavored on Saturday January 27, 2024 @02:41PM (#39159071)
I'd love to talk to you more. I tried to make a Mastodon account to reach you. I just have questions about how you might know this/what else I could learn from you. I don't trade or anything like that, just interested in learning if you'd like to chat more.
Re:Ask HN: How to Get into Quantitative Trading? by nurettin on Wednesday January 31, 2024 @03:47PM (#39209171)
I don't trade, either. I just code custom data collection, quantity allocation, future roll and automated execution algorithms for certified trading advisors.