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Re:Apple announces changes to iOS, Safari, and the App Store... by LeoPanthera on Thursday January 25, 2024 @02:34PM (#39134039)
Well. It's still $0 USD if you distribute via the App Store.
Re:Apple announces changes to iOS, Safari, and the App Store... by yreg on Thursday January 25, 2024 @03:15PM (#39134600)
It's $99 USD per year.
Re:Apple announces changes to iOS, Safari, and the App Store... by lxgr on Thursday January 25, 2024 @03:04PM (#39134451)
It's not, at least not if developers opt into the new terms, which is a trapdoor decision. It's also unclear how long the old terms will remain available, and whether new companies can still sign up for them.
Re:Apple announces changes to iOS, Safari, and the App Store... by matwood on Thursday January 25, 2024 @03:23PM (#39134714)
Not sure why you're downvoted. Developers are given a choice on the new system or the current. Anyone distributing a free app will stick with the current.
Re:Apple announces changes to iOS, Safari, and the App Store... by boolemancer on Thursday January 25, 2024 @05:53PM (#39136563)
There exist free apps that Apple doesn't approve of in it's store.

And there are also free apps that might want to be distributed through Apple's store alongside an alternative store, which would require them to accept the new terms, as far as I can tell.

Re:Apple announces changes to iOS, Safari, and the App Store... by layer8 on Thursday January 25, 2024 @04:46PM (#39135834)
…which you can’t if your app is excluded by Apple’s current restrictions (emulators etc.).
Re:Apple announces changes to iOS, Safari, and the App Store... by jacoblambda on Thursday January 25, 2024 @06:29PM (#39136916)
annnnd even then, apple still gets to review and reject your app before you can list on an alternate app store.

> Notarization for iOS apps — a baseline review that applies to all apps, regardless of their distribution channel, focused on platform integrity and protecting users. Notarization involves a combination of automated checks and human review.

Re:Apple announces changes to iOS, Safari, and the App Store... by johnnyanmac on Thursday January 25, 2024 @07:19PM (#39137342)
So.. Epic makes an IOS store, puts Fortnite on that store, and Apple rejects it for reasons related to previous rules on the IOS store (or some grudge). I guess we're due for another round of Epic v. Apple before the decade ends.
Re:Apple announces changes to iOS, Safari, and the App Store... by derefr on Thursday January 25, 2024 @06:27PM (#39136898)
I don't think there's any category excluded by current App Store restrictions, that would actually be likely to end up having more than 1MM EU installs per year (and therefore paying Apple a dime under this new model), is there?

...well, except porn and sex-work apps, I guess. Will nobody think of the poor, penniless OnlyFans CEO? /s

Re:Apple announces changes to iOS, Safari, and the App Store... by johnnyanmac on Thursday January 25, 2024 @07:22PM (#39137358)
I'd side with OnlyFans over Apple to be honest. OF almost destroyed itself but ultimately empowers creators to post what they want, for however much they want (Even if it ultimately is way above my paygrade. monthly subscriptions plus absurd PPV prices).

Apple at this point is just surpressing whatever it deems bad, even if that app as mandated by the EU wants to be hosted outside of teh App store.

Re:Apple announces changes to iOS, Safari, and the App Store... by derefr on Thursday January 25, 2024 @08:07PM (#39137716)
Oh, I completely agree. My point was that OF (and the entire sex work / porn industry) is intensely profitable — at least for the business owners, not necessarily the talent — and so half a Euro per install won't be any skin off their backs.

Actually, they'll likely be excited to pay it, since finally having access to the iOS market will unlock tons more revenue. (And lead-gen fees are no stranger to their business model.)

Re:Apple announces changes to iOS, Safari, and the App Store... by FateOfNations on Thursday January 25, 2024 @07:04PM (#39137210)
and the one potential category of those apps, various flavors of open source software, can be distributed by a non-profit organization and be exempt from the fees.
Re:Apple announces changes to iOS, Safari, and the App Store... by layer8 on Thursday January 25, 2024 @07:29PM (#39137415)
As the official “developer”, the nonprofit would also be liable for those apps. I’m not sure that will be practical.
Re:Apple announces changes to iOS, Safari, and the App Store... by FateOfNations on Thursday January 25, 2024 @07:32PM (#39137443)
Yeah, it wouldn't be something that could be entered into without some consideration, but there are already a many, many software projects that are successfully distributed by non-profit organizations, so it certainly is feasible.
Re:Apple announces changes to iOS, Safari, and the App Store... by 762236 on Thursday January 25, 2024 @11:18PM (#39138906)
Is that going to change? It looks like Apple is charging 0.50EUR per first-annual install of every alternative app store (no free installs for the first million). So it's going to cost money to run an alternative app store.
Re:Apple announces changes to iOS, Safari, and the App Store... by dns_snek on Thursday January 25, 2024 @06:43PM (#39137043)
Duh, that's exactly what this legislation was designed to change! To have an option of not distributing via Apple's app store.

A real option, mind you, not one that's tilted so far in Apple's favor that any competition looks hopeless from day 1.

Re:Apple announces changes to iOS, Safari, and the App Store... by RayVR on Thursday January 25, 2024 @08:18PM (#39137791)
No it is not. Look at the fee calculator.
Re:Apple announces changes to iOS, Safari, and the App Store... by errnoh on Friday January 26, 2024 @03:41AM (#39140191)
No, that's wrong. Multiple news sites are getting that wrong but Apple announcement is very clear that the fee applies to even App Store:

> Core Technology Fee — iOS apps distributed from the App Store and/or an alternative app marketplace will pay €0.50 for each first annual install per year over a 1 million threshold.

source: https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2024/01/apple-announces-chang...

Re:Apple announces changes to iOS, Safari, and the App Store... by rattray on Friday January 26, 2024 @10:45AM (#39143947)
It's opt-in:

> Developers can choose to adopt these new business terms, or stay on Apple’s existing terms. Developers must adopt the new business terms for EU apps to use the new capabilities for alternative distribution or alternative payment processing.

So you either choose US/Global Business Model (what we know today), or EU Business Model (what was announced today, with flexibility but high fees). You can distribute on the App Store either way.