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Re:How AI is changing gymnastics judging by t_mann on Thursday January 25, 2024 @09:38AM (#39130009)
Exactly. Right now, the best an athlete can do is to just give it their all, and I guess for a lot of people that would be what gymnastics is about. The potential for optimization with such machines is just on another level. You can re-run others' routines to see how you'd have scored, you can do thousands of reps to test the limits of the algorithm, you can code ragdoll simulators to find pockets of optimization,... Gymnasts will be discussing software glitches, version differences, how to 'break the algorithm'. Not even saying that's a bad thing, maybe it'll do for gymnastics what AI did for chess, open it up to a wider audience. Just saying that it could lead to a very different gymnastics scene, that will maybe look a bit more like eg the speed running communities for video games.
Re:How AI is changing gymnastics judging by sdwr on Thursday January 25, 2024 @12:01PM (#39131782)
Gymnastics, Olympics, is meant to be a celebration of the human body and spirit. The micro-optimizations ruin it, because they break the alignment between casual participants and the best.

Regular people exercising should be inspired and uplifted by the elites, but it doesn't work when they're playing a different game entirely at the top.

Re:How AI is changing gymnastics judging by nottorp on Thursday January 25, 2024 @12:24PM (#39132048)
So is chess tbh. Even excluding computer chess. You can play it by ear at an amateur level, but if you want to compete you have to memorize those openings. Which sucks all the joy out of the game.
Re:How AI is changing gymnastics judging by hiAndrewQuinn on Thursday January 25, 2024 @03:50PM (#39135097)
Maybe everything has an amateur level that's just hard enough to be challenging, but still easy enough to be played primarily by ear.

Maybe that's most people's careers.

Re:How AI is changing gymnastics judging by sdwr on Thursday January 25, 2024 @11:20PM (#39138919)
U really gonna call me out like that in front of all these people
Re:How AI is changing gymnastics judging by lupire on Thursday January 25, 2024 @11:00AM (#39130946)
It's not like chess. Chess has clear, simple, inhuman rules. Gymnastics doesn't.
Re:How AI is changing gymnastics judging by t_mann on Thursday January 25, 2024 @11:38AM (#39131439)
Just an example of a sport that got quite reshaped by AI, but not necessarily in a bad way. The differences between the sports could hardly be greater, and the way they'd be impacted by computers would also likely be quite different.
Re:How AI is changing gymnastics judging by adolph on Thursday January 25, 2024 @01:20PM (#39132684)
Apparently Go has also been reshaped:

Humans have improved at Go since AIs became best in the world

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2364137-humans-have-imp...

Re:How AI is changing gymnastics judging by 0xdeadbeefbabe on Thursday January 25, 2024 @11:44AM (#39131536)
Would be cool to see that how well you are doing bar on chess.com (on the left) continuously change during a gymnastics routine.
Re:How AI is changing gymnastics judging by mejutoco on Friday January 26, 2024 @01:05PM (#39145713)
I don‘t know. In some gymnastics people land cleanly by absorbing the shock with their kneews, instead of naturally bending them, for aesthetic reasons. I guess it depends on what we exactly mean by inhuman.