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Re:Train Robbery for Amazon Packages? More Common Than You T... by overstay8930 on Wednesday January 24, 2024 @05:31PM (#39123481)
What does unhoused mean? Is that just homeless but more offensive or something? I'd be pissed if someone called me unhoused, it's like implying I'm incapable of taking care of myself or something.
Re:Train Robbery for Amazon Packages? More Common Than You T... by crazygringo on Wednesday January 24, 2024 @07:24PM (#39124573)
It just means homeless, and it's just the newest entry on the "euphemism treadmill".

"Homeless" has a kind of stigma to it (maybe you picture a dirty bum on the street), while "unhoused" doesn't because it's so new. It simply sounds like a category of analysis devoid of emotional judgment. (Like maybe they're unhoused because a hurricane just blew down their house, not because they don't have a job.)

If "unhoused" comes to replace "homeless", I'm sure we'll get another term to replace it, once "unhoused" has acquired the same stigma that "homeless" does now.

Though I've got to say that "unhoused" is a particularly uncreative term! Essentially a literal synonym of "homeless". It's like they didn't try at all this time...

Re:Train Robbery for Amazon Packages? More Common Than You T... by lebean on Wednesday January 24, 2024 @09:45PM (#39125666)
I used to be a person with unmet residential needs myself, and I would've been more offended by this newfangled term.
Re:Train Robbery for Amazon Packages? More Common Than You T... by nostromo on Thursday January 25, 2024 @02:05AM (#39127003)
They already have a new one. It’s “people experiencing homelessness” now.

My favorite offshoot of this is when I heard a Brit say, “don’t mind that guy, he’s currently experiencing Frenchness.”

Re:Train Robbery for Amazon Packages? More Common Than You T... by danielnoiz on Thursday January 25, 2024 @09:28AM (#39129898)
While "people experiencing homelessness" or "unhoused person" is more cumbersome, it does help emphasize that it is a person, a human being, being discussed. Like the switch to saying "enslaved people/person", that kind of language puts the humanity of the individual first, not something they are experiencing (being enslaved or lacking a house). Which I think could help with empathy around the subject.
Re:Train Robbery for Amazon Packages? More Common Than You T... by didntcheck on Thursday January 25, 2024 @04:21AM (#39127711)
It's not just uncreative, I find it offensively patronizing. If I had no home, and someone told me "no, you're just unhoused!" I'd tell them to F off. A street corner (or car or whatever) is not my home (and if it really was my desired home then I'd not be in need of attention then). It's just trying to verbally paper over a problem and then claim you're in fact helping somehow
Re:Train Robbery for Amazon Packages? More Common Than You T... by hiAndrewQuinn on Thursday January 25, 2024 @04:46AM (#39127818)
I have a similar internal experience to 'land acknowledgements'. Saying thank you for this great land your group of people stole from this other group of people, with zero intention to give it back let alone backpay the years/decades/centuries of rent and reparations you must have accepted, is beyond repugnant. It would be better to say nothing at all.
Re:Train Robbery for Amazon Packages? More Common Than You T... by didntcheck on Thursday January 25, 2024 @05:01AM (#39127912)
Yes, it looks like victor boasting. As a non-American I legitimately thought it was satire when I first heard of the practice
Re:Train Robbery for Amazon Packages? More Common Than You T... by crazygringo on Thursday January 25, 2024 @11:09AM (#39131060)
> It's just trying to verbally paper over a problem and then claim you're in fact helping somehow

Yup, plenty of people say that's the entire reason for the euphemism treadmill. You look good using the new terminology but nobody is helped.

And the people actually affected by the problem generally aren't consulted, and don't care at all about the terminology because it's the least of their problems.

Re:Train Robbery for Amazon Packages? More Common Than You T... by frob on Wednesday January 24, 2024 @06:50PM (#39124258)
People who are unhoused are not necessarily homeless. Their home could be their vehicle, a tent, a warehouse, or some other place. A home is a place you can come back to, where you can feel some modicum of security, belonging, or safety. A house is a structure, designed to be a home, but not always effectively so.

So I would argue that being unhoused is a more accurate description of many people's experiences and feelings than being homeless.

Re:Train Robbery for Amazon Packages? More Common Than You T... by didntcheck on Thursday January 25, 2024 @04:25AM (#39127727)
But the whole problem with homelessness is that these people don't have an adequate home. Few people actually feel safe and want to live in a tent in a park. And if someone really does, well then they're not in need of assistance so not really part of the relevant category then
Re:Train Robbery for Amazon Packages? More Common Than You T... by irrational on Wednesday January 24, 2024 @05:33PM (#39123502)
I've noticed this recently too. It seems to be a euphemism for homeless. I have no idea why unhoused would be considered preferable to homeless.
Re:Train Robbery for Amazon Packages? More Common Than You T... by gradascent on Wednesday January 24, 2024 @05:51PM (#39123716)
Because it shifts the burden (or at least appearance) of responsibility from those experiencing homelessness to the government orgs tasked with housing them.
Re:Train Robbery for Amazon Packages? More Common Than You T... by irrational on Wednesday January 24, 2024 @06:24PM (#39124046)
Uh... how does "unhoused" do that? Or, I don't see how unhoused is synonymous with "the government has not provided these people with a house". The opposite of unhoused would be housed. Is everyone that is housed in that position because the government provided a house for them?
Re:Train Robbery for Amazon Packages? More Common Than You T... by thegrimmest on Wednesday January 24, 2024 @05:59PM (#39123801)
Wrongly so I’d argue. It’s your own responsibility to secure a place for yourself (to live, and in society generally). Failure to do this is personal, not collective.
Re:Train Robbery for Amazon Packages? More Common Than You T... by zilti on Thursday January 25, 2024 @03:43AM (#39127515)
It does not. That is not how language works.
Re:Train Robbery for Amazon Packages? More Common Than You T... by jballer on Friday January 26, 2024 @11:08PM (#39152447)
> "Un–" is used to indicate negation, as Newspeak has no non-political antonyms. For example, the standard English words warm and hot are replaced by uncold, and the moral concept communicated with the word bad is expressed as ungood.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newspeak

Re:Train Robbery for Amazon Packages? More Common Than You T... by 0xbadcafebee on Wednesday January 24, 2024 @05:53PM (#39123731)
Took about 4 seconds for me to google it.
Re:Train Robbery for Amazon Packages? More Common Than You T... by jballer on Wednesday January 24, 2024 @06:42PM (#39124206)
It is for exactly that reason (the expectation that one can or should take care of themself) that people use this word. They believe it's not only inoffensive and compassionate, but actually a way to solve the problem through activism: shift readers' perception of blame from away from individuals and private solutions, and demand more government bureaucracy that can placate everyone's desire to "do something about it."
Re:Train Robbery for Amazon Packages? More Common Than You T... by zilti on Thursday January 25, 2024 @03:48AM (#39127538)
To be fair, that is exactly what's the case with most homeless. Their mental health is in too much of a bad state that they could take care of renting a flat etc.

You can't just solve the problem by sticking them into flats; that might technically make them not homeless anymore, but at the same time fixes basically none of their problems.

Re:Train Robbery for Amazon Packages? More Common Than You T... by seunosewa on Thursday January 25, 2024 @08:09AM (#39129187)
It definitely fixes one of their problems - the lack of a home.