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Re:Passenger notices missing bolts on plane wing, flight can... by lefixx on Monday January 22, 2024 @02:58PM (#39094567)
4 bolts (I actually think they are screws) is not a danger but it signals a failure in the maintenance pipeline.
Re:Passenger notices missing bolts on plane wing, flight can... by reisse on Monday January 22, 2024 @04:58PM (#39096074)
Unless they were inspected, acknowledged "not dangerous" and scheduled for replacement some time later. There are whole lists of things that are not required to be in good working order for the plane to fly safely, see e. g. what MEL is.
Re:Passenger notices missing bolts on plane wing, flight can... by s1artibartfast on Monday January 22, 2024 @09:25PM (#39098773)
it might not even need to be noted and scheduled.

It may be the case that some failures are expected and tolerated between periodic inspections, and the period is designed to catch anything before it gets too far.

Re:Passenger notices missing bolts on plane wing, flight can... by cududa on Monday January 22, 2024 @09:33PM (#39098862)
But why not have more buffer in their supply chain so that when someone notices missing bolts, or bolts need to be replaced, they have them?

There are clearly deep quality problems that have gone on beyond the door plug. Something is just off in the culture that it's completely normal to just have a lot of bolts missing, because it's within tolerance. If bolts come loose in non-visible places, that's what inspections are for.

The culture is apparently "eh there's missing bolts and it's too big of a pain to schedule and order them" for something that, in this plane's case, took minutes to fix.

That's a symptom of a very broken culture

Re:Passenger notices missing bolts on plane wing, flight can... by s1artibartfast on Monday January 22, 2024 @09:42PM (#39098925)
Where is this bit about the supply chain and missing bolts coming from, or the part where someone knew they were missing and ignored it? Was that in a different article?

I guess my main point is that it is very difficult for outside amateurs to judge quality culture. They dont know the risks, severities, and existing controls. Therefore they dont know if something is completely typical and acceptable, or outrageous.

Re:Passenger notices missing bolts on plane wing, flight can... by Johnny555 on Monday January 22, 2024 @03:00PM (#39094601)
4 screws randomly distributed among the 109 might not be a danger, but these were 4 in a row, which seems like it would be more hazardous.
Re:Passenger notices missing bolts on plane wing, flight can... by dghlsakjg on Monday January 22, 2024 @03:09PM (#39094717)
You ever seen what happens when a screw comes loose and hits another surface at 500 mph?

I have had a small screw go through a plane propeller before. 1 missing screw, let alone 4, would terrify me.

Re:Passenger notices missing bolts on plane wing, flight can... by gpderetta on Monday January 22, 2024 @03:23PM (#39094891)
> You ever seen what happens when a screw comes loose and hits another surface at 500 mph

well, obviously you are screwed.

edit: to be more constructive "Felipe Massa's life-threatening crash "( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEt5pbyiIdM )

Re:Passenger notices missing bolts on plane wing, flight can... by ungruntled on Monday January 22, 2024 @03:21PM (#39094874)
I’ve noticed missing bolts a few times when sitting in wing view seats. Didn’t realize that isn't supposed to be ok. This problem might be quite common.
Re:Passenger notices missing bolts on plane wing, flight can... by dghlsakjg on Monday January 22, 2024 @03:30PM (#39094984)
Missing screws CAN be ok. The issue is where the screws went, and why they came out.
Re:Passenger notices missing bolts on plane wing, flight can... by g-b-r on Monday January 22, 2024 @05:06PM (#39096161)
I was about to say this, I'm not 100% sure but I think I did see that as well
Re:Passenger notices missing bolts on plane wing, flight can... by thfuran on Monday January 22, 2024 @10:29PM (#39099267)
If a screw coming loose and hitting another surface is a concern, shouldn't the missing fasteners in fact enhance safety? They're the only ones we can be sure won't fuck up the engine or whatever.
Re:Passenger notices missing bolts on plane wing, flight can... by exabrial on Monday January 22, 2024 @04:39PM (#39095846)
Unless one flies out at 750mph, hits a critical part of the plane somewhere else.
Re:Passenger notices missing bolts on plane wing, flight can... by wolverine876 on Monday January 22, 2024 @09:10PM (#39098653)
Has that ever happened?
Re:Passenger notices missing bolts on plane wing, flight can... by bluedino on Monday January 22, 2024 @09:14PM (#39098682)
If your Airbus flight goes 750mph you have other problems
Re:Passenger notices missing bolts on plane wing, flight can... by heohk on Tuesday January 23, 2024 @12:18AM (#39099905)
750mph ground speed flying in a jet stream
Re:Passenger notices missing bolts on plane wing, flight can... by throwawayben on Tuesday January 23, 2024 @03:09AM (#39100725)
ground speed doesn't matter. if something comes off the aircraft it'll be in the same relative air current
Re:Passenger notices missing bolts on plane wing, flight can... by lupire on Tuesday January 23, 2024 @08:53AM (#39103268)
Air speed doesn't matter either, since the plane is traveling at the same speed before and after separation of the bolt.
Re:Passenger notices missing bolts on plane wing, flight can... by wolverine876 on Monday January 22, 2024 @09:30PM (#39098832)
What is terminal velocity for a commercial airliner?
Re:Passenger notices missing bolts on plane wing, flight can... by sokoloff on Tuesday January 23, 2024 @11:19AM (#39105380)
An American or a European airliner?
Re:Passenger notices missing bolts on plane wing, flight can... by exabrial on Tuesday January 23, 2024 @11:05AM (#39105189)
good point, god forbid you get somewhere on time in an Airbus
Re:Passenger notices missing bolts on plane wing, flight can... by wolverine876 on Monday January 22, 2024 @09:09PM (#39098644)
> it signals a failure in the maintenance pipeline.

Without knowing the risk caused by it, it may signal nothing of the sort. The mechanics already had cleared the plane to fly. Very, very few planes have any sort of in-flight issue like that. Those facts, rather than our ignorant speculation, signal the state of the 'maintenance pipeline' (if such a thing exists).