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Re:What's that touchscreen in my room? by swozey on Saturday January 20, 2024 @09:35AM (#39067914)
I have no frame of reference but I have a feeling here (usa) it's super illegal to "tamper" with any pub utilities infrastructure. Could be wrong, though, but no usb ports.

That's really cool though I wish we could do that.

Re:What's that touchscreen in my room? by teekert on Saturday January 20, 2024 @09:38AM (#39067955)
P1 port is specifically to read values and “open”. There a 10€ cable to convert it (passively) to usb.

You could consider one of those clamps that measure the power through a cable from the fields around it?

Re:What's that touchscreen in my room? by dancsi on Sunday January 21, 2024 @08:11AM (#39078142)
Actually, it is just serial under the hood, although electrically slightly nonstandard.
Re:What's that touchscreen in my room? by bloomingeek on Saturday January 20, 2024 @09:53AM (#39068103)
No doubt about the tampering comment. However, my gas, water, and electric meters are all wireless and now I want to be able to monitor them for on demand usage. We shall see.
Re:What's that touchscreen in my room? by swozey on Saturday January 20, 2024 @10:15AM (#39068341)
Has there been talk about that becoming a thing?
Re:What's that touchscreen in my room? by amluto on Saturday January 20, 2024 @12:48PM (#39070250)
In PG&E land, you can buy one of a handful of approved ZigBee gadgets that can read out your meter data.
Re:What's that touchscreen in my room? by mcbishop on Saturday January 20, 2024 @08:25PM (#39074508)
If you can recommend one of these gadgets... I'd really appreciate it.
Re:What's that touchscreen in my room? by mcbishop on Saturday January 20, 2024 @08:29PM (#39074532)
I've heard that it's hard to measure gas in residential contexts, because the pressure is so low.
Re:What's that touchscreen in my room? by quickthrowman on Saturday January 20, 2024 @07:10PM (#39073997)
This is not utility infrastructure. It’s a submeter connected to a set of current transformers.

In general in the US, for commercial buildings, everything beyond the utility transformer secondary is the responsibility of the customer. For a residence, anything beyond the meter socket is the responsibility of the customer.

I’m unfamiliar with UK utility standards though so perhaps it’s different there.

Re:What's that touchscreen in my room? by bbarnett on Sunday January 21, 2024 @04:25AM (#39076943)
Weird. You have a meter, after the utility's meter, that you can just plug into?
Re:What's that touchscreen in my room? by kabes on Sunday January 21, 2024 @12:20PM (#39080407)
At least in the netherlands and belgium, the meter is from the utility company, but comes with a public serial port (the so called P1 port) to read the data for smart home purposes.
Re:What's that touchscreen in my room? by quickthrowman on Sunday January 21, 2024 @01:18PM (#39081043)
Not by default, but tenant submeters are something you can install in your own premises wiring. Here’s an example, a single-phase meter made by Honeywell: https://prod-edam.honeywell.com/content/dam/honeywell-edam/h...

The linked example only monitors one circuit, but you could buy a submeter than can monitor multiple current transformers/multiple circuits.

The utility meter is supplied by the utility and used to bill you, an optional submeter is just for your own monitoring and tracking of electrical use.

Re:What's that touchscreen in my room? by Someone on Sunday January 21, 2024 @11:41AM (#39080029)
This isn’t tampering, but using an interface expressly designed for this purpose.

See https://www.netbeheernederland.nl/_upload/Files/Slimme_meter.... I think that’s more than good enough for third parties to use.