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Re:The case to legalize single-stair multifamily housing by greenthrow on Thursday January 18, 2024 @07:06PM (#39049832)
Your argument doesn't really make sense because the problem isn't lack of houses or apartments, there's plenty of places to put everyone. The problem is one of affordability. The costs of stuff that already exists and has existed for ages isn't really tied to the current cost to build, even if we buy the specious argument that all regulation raises costs and those costs are inevitably passed directly to tenants.
Re:The case to legalize single-stair multifamily housing by bluGill on Thursday January 18, 2024 @07:33PM (#39050051)
supply and eemand sets rents. You you rent perfecly good existing houses cheap in rural areas. Nobody wants to like there.

There is no reason to think there is enourh room for everyone who wants to like in San Francisco, and statistics prove they heve not been building much. Mean while in other states we find areas of demand where housing is not expensive. Where I live you can rent one bedroom apartments for under $1000, mohe in won't be until spring as the building is still under construction. The owners are planning on starting the next building when this is done. That is what allosing building does.

Re:The case to legalize single-stair multifamily housing by wiml on Thursday January 18, 2024 @07:53PM (#39050241)
Supply, demand, and cartels like Realpage.
Re:The case to legalize single-stair multifamily housing by astrange on Thursday January 18, 2024 @08:25PM (#39050494)
Real estate has very distributed ownership and none of them are motivated to form a cartel.

The only way they can maintain one is through legal force. Zoning laws are almost entirely that force; they're a way to establish a cartel of homeowners.

Re:The case to legalize single-stair multifamily housing by eru on Thursday January 18, 2024 @07:56PM (#39050276)
Cartel's can't just magically set prices.

They can withhold supply, and that might have an effect on market prices.

Re:The case to legalize single-stair multifamily housing by astrange on Thursday January 18, 2024 @08:26PM (#39050502)
You can't pay the mortgage on a place you're not renting out though, so they mostly can't withhold supply.

It applies more to things like retired people living by themselves in a 3 bedroom house.

Re:The case to legalize single-stair multifamily housing by eru on Thursday January 18, 2024 @08:29PM (#39050525)
OK.

Though if they can't withhold supply, how are those cartels supposed to hold up prices, then?

Re:The case to legalize single-stair multifamily housing by astrange on Friday January 19, 2024 @02:38AM (#39052683)
They don't, it's not real.

(Except that they can prevent construction of new units through zoning.)

Re:The case to legalize single-stair multifamily housing by tremon on Friday January 19, 2024 @03:25PM (#39060609)
Ehm, what? Of course cartels can magically set prices. That's what a cartel is for: to make collusion easier.
Re:The case to legalize single-stair multifamily housing by eru on Monday January 22, 2024 @04:00AM (#39087654)
Even OPEC can't magically set prices. Cartels make collusion easier, but you still have to do concrete steps to raise market prices.

OPEC does that via production cuts. Or rather tries to do that.

Re:The case to legalize single-stair multifamily housing by greenthrow on Thursday January 18, 2024 @10:56PM (#39051400)
This is just factually not true. There is plenty of empty homes, apartments and condos to house everyone. There are many units kept empty rather than lower prices. It is a myth that supply and demand sets prices.
Re:The case to legalize single-stair multifamily housing by Schiendelman on Thursday January 18, 2024 @11:26PM (#39051553)
This comment makes me really sad; it's someone who wants to help but ends up hurting.
Re:The case to legalize single-stair multifamily housing by worik on Friday January 19, 2024 @04:29PM (#39061458)
There is also the effect of rich people needing a place to stash money and not wanting to bother with tennants

Housing activists in Melbourne have been campaigning about that for years now

I did not believe that was true until I stumbled on it happening. A rich lawyer, a salary far too big to spend, so they collected (empty) houses. They did not care about cash flow

A tax on empty houses in areas with accommodation shortage at worse cannot hurt and at best could free up a lot of accommodation

Re:The case to legalize single-stair multifamily housing by throwaway2037 on Friday January 19, 2024 @05:30AM (#39053837)
> Nobody wants to li[v]e there.

It would be better to say that rents are lower in rural areas because there is either more supply or lower median salary.