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Re:Coinbase tells judge that buying crypto is just like coll... by colesantiago on Thursday January 18, 2024 @03:31PM (#39047236)
At least beanie babies are real, crypto isn't real at all.

After 15 years of Bitcoin, nothing of any legitimate value has been made from it.

Re:Coinbase tells judge that buying crypto is just like coll... by speeder on Thursday January 18, 2024 @03:37PM (#39047325)
Crypto helped me a lot to store and transfer money in some situations, like moving to another country or being unbanked for reasons beyond my control.
Re:Coinbase tells judge that buying crypto is just like coll... by luma on Thursday January 18, 2024 @03:39PM (#39047358)
If you're following the law, western union could do that for you except more reliably and cheaper.
Re:Coinbase tells judge that buying crypto is just like coll... by karpatic on Thursday January 18, 2024 @03:50PM (#39047506)
Ever heard of getting debanked? Or being a refugee? Plenty of legal fund raising campaigns came to political ends. Forced conscription is going on in Ukraine and I've personally met someone who's only assets they could leave with was crypto because it wasn't in a bank.
Re:Coinbase tells judge that buying crypto is just like coll... by alchemist1e9 on Thursday January 18, 2024 @03:48PM (#39047483)
I suspect that is completely false at this point but somebody else hopefully can provide some evidence.
Re:Coinbase tells judge that buying crypto is just like coll... by humanizersequel on Thursday January 18, 2024 @04:00PM (#39047638)
Not only is Western Union significantly less reliable and significantly more expensive, as someone who gets paid in crypto the most expensive and painful parts of my finances are those that touch the traditional banking system at all.
Re:Coinbase tells judge that buying crypto is just like coll... by luma on Saturday January 20, 2024 @08:49AM (#39067522)
> significantly less reliable and significantly more expensive

Going to need a citation on those two claims. You can lookup fees for both, right now BTC fees are about one USD more than a WU transfer. WU is subject to banking laws and if you're going to claim it's "unreliable", you're going to need to provide some evidence of that. It's literally their business, and a heavily regulated one at that.

Re:Coinbase tells judge that buying crypto is just like coll... by alchemist1e9 on Saturday January 20, 2024 @01:09PM (#39070449)
See my other comment. You seem misinformed to me.
Re:Coinbase tells judge that buying crypto is just like coll... by luma on Saturday January 20, 2024 @07:56AM (#39067180)
Or you could provide some counter evidence. At the time of this writing, sending $100 to Algeria (it was on top of the list) via WU is a flat $8 fee. Currently BTC transaction fees today are $9.94. So yes, it is literally cheaper and you don't have to guess about the numbers.

BTC transaction fees are greater than WU, it takes longer, and of course you need to deal with BTC. At the US side you're still beholden to all the AML and KYC issues that you'd need to deal with anyway, again unless you are doing it illegally.

Show me the "unbanked" who can use BTC but somehow cannot walk up to a WU stand with cash in hand. It's a preposterous argument.

Re:Coinbase tells judge that buying crypto is just like coll... by alchemist1e9 on Saturday January 20, 2024 @12:56PM (#39070324)
https://www.westernunion.com/us/en/web/user/price-estimator

I just used this for $3000 to Algeria and I get $14.99 plus an absurdly bad exchange rate of 120 DZD where the bank rate is 134, so basically another 10.5% fee, which means $300 lost.

Frankly I think you have no clue what you are talking about if you somehow believe Western Union is superior in functionality and utility to Bitcoin.

Bitcoin transaction fee is currently equivalent to $7.60 and that is a flat fixed fee for any amount, even $1M worth.

Additionally there are multiple Bitcoin exchanges operating in Algeria, https://www.bitrawr.com/algeria and you won’t lose anything in exchange rates in local currency transactions.

Re:Coinbase tells judge that buying crypto is just like coll... by pylua on Thursday January 18, 2024 @03:37PM (#39047323)
Distributed ledgers at scale have no value? I have a hard time believing that.
Re:Coinbase tells judge that buying crypto is just like coll... by lcnPylGDnU4H9OF on Thursday January 18, 2024 @03:48PM (#39047477)
Bitcoin is an application which is backed by a digital ledger. They didn't say blockchain is not valuable, just that Bitcoin is not a valuable application of blockchain. (Not trying to agree or disagree on the point, just clarifying.)
Re:Coinbase tells judge that buying crypto is just like coll... by pid-1 on Thursday January 18, 2024 @03:57PM (#39047599)
I think you meant decentralized. Also, it's questionable BTC etc are really scalable.
Re:Coinbase tells judge that buying crypto is just like coll... by lcnPylGDnU4H9OF on Thursday January 18, 2024 @04:00PM (#39047640)
"Distributed" means decentralized in this context.
Re:Coinbase tells judge that buying crypto is just like coll... by colesantiago on Thursday January 18, 2024 @03:50PM (#39047505)
That is correct.

It's just a regular database you need.

Using overhyped fancy technology like blockchains, DLTs doesn't solve anything legitimately useful.

But if there is a 'usecase' it is only of the worst and illegitimate kind, ransomware payments, speculation, ponzi / pyramid schemes, etc.

Re:Coinbase tells judge that buying crypto is just like coll... by alchemist1e9 on Thursday January 18, 2024 @04:12PM (#39047816)
> legitimately

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

Re:Coinbase tells judge that buying crypto is just like coll... by npoc on Thursday January 18, 2024 @05:36PM (#39048858)
If you use a regular database for money, then some people can go in and change the digits massively in their favour without doing any work, just as we can see happening with fiat currencies.
Re:Coinbase tells judge that buying crypto is just like coll... by karpatic on Thursday January 18, 2024 @03:53PM (#39047553)
'Legitimate' is a weasel word, as you use it. "No true Scottsman" and the like.
Re:Coinbase tells judge that buying crypto is just like coll... by ars on Thursday January 18, 2024 @04:32PM (#39048058)
Crypto is exactly as real as cash. Both crypto and cash have value because people think they have value.

That's it.

And please don't reply "you need to pay taxes with it", if an economically failed state uses a currency that no one wants, it doesn't have value even if the state requires it for taxes.

And this is true for everything. Things have value because people value them. Even food. A steak has no value if no one wants to eat it.

Re:Coinbase tells judge that buying crypto is just like coll... by colesantiago on Friday January 19, 2024 @08:50AM (#39055394)
> Crypto is exactly as real as cash. Both crypto and cash have value because people think they have value.

Except crypto doesn't have value at all as it's being manipulated and wash traded on exchanges, especially when Tether is printing constantly and pumping up the price of Bitcoin.

Crypto is essentially all based on a pyramid scheme at best and a ponzi scheme at worst.

Re:Coinbase tells judge that buying crypto is just like coll... by xaellison on Thursday January 18, 2024 @03:35PM (#39047297)
Drug cartels might disagree with the 'nothing of value' statement
Re:Coinbase tells judge that buying crypto is just like coll... by wharvle on Thursday January 18, 2024 @03:54PM (#39047565)
Turns out things are usually better, easier, and cheaper, overall, if you can trust your peers. You only need stuff like Bitcoin if you have to operate entirely in a very low-trust environment, and for some reason don't have access to better ways to raise the trust level.

If you're working with lots of money and can't rope in one or more trusted peers (a bank, say) to smooth things out, with that trust backed up by a robust & proven legal framework... uh, that sure narrows down the general type of activity you're likely engaged in.

Re:Coinbase tells judge that buying crypto is just like coll... by alchemist1e9 on Thursday January 18, 2024 @03:59PM (#39047630)
> need stuff like Bitcoin if you have to operate entirely in a very low-trust environment

Which is what we are in. The governments can’t be trusted they have proved that over and over.

The big mystery is why so many collectivists and statists get so worked up and angry with the success of Bitcoin! Not why Bitcoin is working as intended.

Re:Coinbase tells judge that buying crypto is just like coll... by npoc on Thursday January 18, 2024 @05:39PM (#39048894)
That's the problem - the banks are robbing us all, you just don't realise. Look up M2 USD and find a chart over the last 50 years.
Re:Coinbase tells judge that buying crypto is just like coll... by rideontime on Thursday January 18, 2024 @03:37PM (#39047326)
And ransomware deployers!
Re:Coinbase tells judge that buying crypto is just like coll... by pazimzadeh on Thursday January 18, 2024 @03:40PM (#39047366)
Feels real. And the Vision Pro I’m going to buy using crypto proceeds also feels real too.
Re:Coinbase tells judge that buying crypto is just like coll... by cheeze on Thursday January 18, 2024 @03:41PM (#39047384)
On the flipside, crypto value is real whereas beanie baby value wasn't "real"

I don't have a dog in this fight but it's an easy argument on either side.

Re:Coinbase tells judge that buying crypto is just like coll... by martinky24 on Thursday January 18, 2024 @03:38PM (#39047334)
Careful with that FUD! You're going to piss of the believers!
Re:Coinbase tells judge that buying crypto is just like coll... by alchemist1e9 on Thursday January 18, 2024 @03:47PM (#39047472)
It’s so strange how I just bought groceries for my family with Paypal debit card instantly funded with this imaginary crypto! Definitely not real … keep telling yourself the emperor has clothes!
Re:Coinbase tells judge that buying crypto is just like coll... by lgkk on Thursday January 18, 2024 @03:38PM (#39047333)
It only has value as long as the people on the left half of the bell curve can be convinced it has value. Unfortunately it gets easier and easier each year with a larger supply of such people. Sorry but truth is harsh.

I’ve never seen a bigger voluntary induced rug pull before.