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Re:Samsung Extends Android and Security Updates to 7 Years by jwells89 on Wednesday January 17, 2024 @07:47PM (#39035918)
A good first step. The next one I’d like to see is a one-tap toggle that disables the bulk of Samsung OS customizations and “me too” apps/ecosystem cruft, as some other vendors have. Yes it can be removed manually, but with one of Android’s chief selling points being the choice it affords users, I shouldn’t need to do that, particularly on expensive flagship devices.
Re:Samsung Extends Android and Security Updates to 7 Years by wilsonnb3 on Wednesday January 17, 2024 @08:01PM (#39036067)
Samsung's OS customizations and a lot of their apps are quite nice these days, I don't think there would be much of a point in such a toggle. Especially considering you can already change to a different launcher if you want.
Re:Samsung Extends Android and Security Updates to 7 Years by Kuinox on Wednesday January 17, 2024 @08:17PM (#39036201)
Since 7 years I hear that Samsung apps are "quite nice theses days".

I never found it to be true.

I owned a Samsung S7, it was atrocious, people said it was great, the bloatware was painful, the gesture to open the apps drawer was conflicted with the gesture to open Samsung pay (which didn't worked with my bank), you can't disable Samsung pay, if you switch the launcher, it's still there. Searching the settings took literally 10 seconds. It's default behavior is to stay on while charging, the whole screen have the lock screen burned in now.

My mom own a Samsung 10e, people also said "Samsung software isn't ad now", they rewrote their own clock app. It doesn't support having multiple timers?!? Worse, asking Google assistant to add a timer, reset the previous one. This is due to Samsung bloatware, the stock android clock doesn't have this issue.

Re:Samsung Extends Android and Security Updates to 7 Years by arunkumar9t2 on Wednesday January 17, 2024 @10:07PM (#39037157)
They are industry leading in Android for quite some time. They often have innovations first that then Google generalizes in Android itself. For example, lock screen customization, secure folder, even work profile was first available on Samsung devices. Samsung literally contributed work profile (Knox) to AOSP.
Re:Samsung Extends Android and Security Updates to 7 Years by Kuinox on Thursday January 18, 2024 @03:39PM (#39047361)
What do you call "lock screen customisation" ?

> even work profile was first available on Samsung devices

Work profiles are available since Android 5.

Re:Samsung Extends Android and Security Updates to 7 Years by FirmwareBurner on Wednesday January 17, 2024 @08:23PM (#39036260)
>Since 7 years I hear that Samsung apps are "quite nice theses days". I never found it to be true. I owned a Samsung S7

To be fair that S7 from 2016 doesn't count as being from "these days" anymore, so your opinion is not up to date, as Samsung made pretty big strides in the last few years past 2020 compared to how it was when you last remember it with the nasty Touchwiz.

Re:Samsung Extends Android and Security Updates to 7 Years by sundvor on Wednesday January 17, 2024 @08:43PM (#39036428)
Totally. My S21 Ultra 512 with OneUI 6 with Android 14 is a very, very nice UI experience; got the update around the new year.

I'm in love with the new drop down settings screen especially.

Re:Samsung Extends Android and Security Updates to 7 Years by wkat4242 on Thursday January 18, 2024 @10:24AM (#39042827)
Yeah TouchWiz was horrible. OneUI is lovely and way better than native Google IMO. My S8 really became a much better phone with that update. Unfortunately it was also its last :'(

For browser I'm Firefox all the way though!

Re:Samsung Extends Android and Security Updates to 7 Years by WheatMillington on Wednesday January 17, 2024 @09:02PM (#39036576)
Your experience is well out of date
Re:Samsung Extends Android and Security Updates to 7 Years by Kuinox on Thursday January 18, 2024 @06:26AM (#39040513)
People also said this to me when I had a S7, my mom then got a S10e a year after it's release. It's UI was only slightly less worse than the S7.
Re:Samsung Extends Android and Security Updates to 7 Years by grumpyprole on Thursday January 18, 2024 @02:12AM (#39038902)
While I might one day leave Samsung for the lack of Bluetooth codecs, in 2024 the UI is really very nice and I would miss it on many other "more stock" Android devices.
Re:Samsung Extends Android and Security Updates to 7 Years by Kuinox on Thursday January 18, 2024 @07:35AM (#39040973)
What would you miss in the "more stock" android devices ?
Re:Samsung Extends Android and Security Updates to 7 Years by grumpyprole on Thursday January 18, 2024 @06:04PM (#39049188)
Too many to list, but it's small things such as seeing how long a charge will take. Stock Android is certainly less refined.
Re:Samsung Extends Android and Security Updates to 7 Years by Kuinox on Saturday January 20, 2024 @07:16PM (#39074055)
> such as seeing how long a charge will take

This is a stock Android feature. I just plugged in my Pixel 6 and it indicated in the lockscreen it will be fully recharged in 21 minutes.

Re:Samsung Extends Android and Security Updates to 7 Years by m1keil on Thursday January 18, 2024 @02:50AM (#39039133)
I had similar feeling about Samsung in the past but I think it is quite better nowadays. But there definitely is some AOSP/Samsung duality you cannot escape. My current gripes with existing s23+ is usually one of following:

1. Some of their features are being offloaded to unknown 3rd party vendors (e.g call spam detection). 2. They really want you to install some sort of McAfee AV on your phone to get the "secure" tick. 3. They are usually about a month behind when it comes to Android security patches. 4. Phone comes pre-installed with crap.

Re:Samsung Extends Android and Security Updates to 7 Years by wkat4242 on Thursday January 18, 2024 @07:11AM (#39040778)
Agree with 1,2 and 4. Too much privacy-invading external crap.

But they're not really behind. I already got the 1 January Android security update a few days ago on my S23.

Considering they need to do testing and possible modifications I don't think this is very slow.

Re:Samsung Extends Android and Security Updates to 7 Years by denismi on Thursday January 18, 2024 @08:37AM (#39041509)
I am still on the 1 November 2023 security update on my AU S22 Ultra.
Re:Samsung Extends Android and Security Updates to 7 Years by wkat4242 on Thursday January 18, 2024 @08:59AM (#39041726)
Weird. Even my A52s which is both older and much cheaper (like a quarter of the price!) than your S22 Ultra is on 1 January 2024. It still gets timely monthly updates.

I wonder if it's your provider being difficult here. The problem with branded (or sometimes even sold with contract) phones is that the carrier wants to meddle in the updates because they're afraid of issues on their network or something. And this can cause huge delays.

I always buy my phones separately, mainly because I hate contracts so I'm on prepay always but having unrestricted updates is another big benefit.

Re:Samsung Extends Android and Security Updates to 7 Years by m1keil on Thursday January 18, 2024 @09:17AM (#39041916)
Hmm, maybe I was too harsh. I got the change log here: https://doc.samsungmobile.com/SM-S916B/XSA/doc.html

Seems like anywhere between one to three weeks. I think the auto update is a bit lazy. Had to force update on mine just now to make it get January update.

Re:Samsung Extends Android and Security Updates to 7 Years by wkat4242 on Thursday January 18, 2024 @10:31AM (#39042951)
Yeah and the 3 week one coincided with the Android 14 / OneUI 6 upgrade so it's kinda understandable because there was a lot more testing.

It's not perfect but I like it now (In the TouchWiz days Samsung was really bad at updates, they've improved a lot)

Re:Samsung Extends Android and Security Updates to 7 Years by pjmlp on Thursday January 18, 2024 @02:54AM (#39039156)
Many people in the Android ecosystem, me including, prefer OEM customization than whatever Material something gets thought out at the Googleplex.

And I have owned several S generation phones.

Re:Samsung Extends Android and Security Updates to 7 Years by LightHugger on Wednesday January 17, 2024 @10:59PM (#39037611)
If you've never installed a custom rom like lineageos on a samsung phone and see your battery life triple or more, i can see having this opinion. But, no, the samsung 'experience' is not quite nice.
Re:Samsung Extends Android and Security Updates to 7 Years by Steltek on Wednesday January 17, 2024 @08:06PM (#39036106)
You don't think people are naturally choosing "Samsung Internet" as their favorite browser?
Re:Samsung Extends Android and Security Updates to 7 Years by hulium on Wednesday January 17, 2024 @08:22PM (#39036250)
Why not, it supports ad blockers so at least it is better than Chrome. Also it can put the URL bar at the bottom which makes much more sense on a phone.
Re:Samsung Extends Android and Security Updates to 7 Years by sundvor on Wednesday January 17, 2024 @08:47PM (#39036463)
Yup. I use the Samsung browser as my primary - thanks to the adblockers.
Re:Samsung Extends Android and Security Updates to 7 Years by FirmwareBurner on Thursday January 18, 2024 @05:37AM (#39040197)
But how do you sync it with your desktop browser? As in history, bookmarks, etc.
Re:Samsung Extends Android and Security Updates to 7 Years by tagamma on Thursday January 18, 2024 @03:59PM (#39047632)
I don't think you can.

At least I was not able to find a way to do that. That was the main reason I switched back to Firefox on mobile despite actually liking Samsung Internet more.

Re:Samsung Extends Android and Security Updates to 7 Years by sundvor on Saturday January 20, 2024 @12:13AM (#39064907)
Confirmed.

I tend to use my phone for personal research stuff mainly and Firefox on my desktop/laptop for work. I use bookmark syncing in Firefox, and that works great! But I generally don't need to synch from phone to desktop.

Having said this, I also had Firefox installed on my phone and on checking, see that ublock origin is available there!

Will give it a shot now. :-)

Re:Samsung Extends Android and Security Updates to 7 Years by sexy_seedbox on Thursday January 18, 2024 @01:07AM (#39038503)
Have you tried Kiwi Browser? You can install any extensions and it includes Developer Tools.
Re:Samsung Extends Android and Security Updates to 7 Years by btreecat on Thursday January 18, 2024 @07:41AM (#39041005)
Because mobile Firefox exists?
Re:Samsung Extends Android and Security Updates to 7 Years by adonese on Thursday January 18, 2024 @08:03AM (#39041173)
I don't really like samsung internet, it totally sucks. The half-assed adblocker is okayish, and the picture in picture is somewhat better than edge (stopped chrome long ago and edge is my main desktop browser).

Tried Firefox mobile, while I love the ublock origin, it kept constantly crashing that I eventually had to let go off. But yeah I'd definitely love to have a minimal android

Re:Samsung Extends Android and Security Updates to 7 Years by tortoise_in on Thursday January 18, 2024 @12:16PM (#39044459)
Wait you on hacker news and don't use Firefox?
Re:Samsung Extends Android and Security Updates to 7 Years by hulium on Thursday January 18, 2024 @03:54PM (#39047558)
I do use Firefox. I defended Samsung against Chrome in the category of preinstalled browsers, Firefox plays in a different league of course.
Re:Samsung Extends Android and Security Updates to 7 Years by shmoogy on Wednesday January 17, 2024 @08:35PM (#39036356)
I have a galaxy fold 5 as my secondary phone and when I first got it I was trying to see what people were using on android in 2023, and fold users overwhelmingly suggested the Samsung internet browser on Reddit. It's.. fine, I was disappointed immediately as even my iPhone in native safari supports greasemonkey scripts.
Re:Samsung Extends Android and Security Updates to 7 Years by jwells89 on Wednesday January 17, 2024 @10:47PM (#39037533)
> I was disappointed immediately as even my iPhone in native safari supports greasemonkey scripts

It feels totally upside-down that Safari for iOS has a better extensions story than Chrome for Android. For this reason one of the first things I grab when setting up a new Android device is Firefox.

Re:Samsung Extends Android and Security Updates to 7 Years by pyrophane on Wednesday January 17, 2024 @10:25PM (#39037325)
Secondary phone?
Re:Samsung Extends Android and Security Updates to 7 Years by taspeotis on Wednesday January 17, 2024 @11:34PM (#39037891)
For sexting your mistress, obviously.
Re:Samsung Extends Android and Security Updates to 7 Years by yjftsjthsd-h on Thursday January 18, 2024 @12:45AM (#39038360)
Could be work phone / personal phone
Re:Samsung Extends Android and Security Updates to 7 Years by shmoogy on Thursday January 18, 2024 @08:46AM (#39041596)
Traveling with my kids, and testing websites on Android browsers. My preferred phone is my iPhone 15 pro.

E: I also have a pixel 6a

Re:Samsung Extends Android and Security Updates to 7 Years by xnyanta on Thursday January 18, 2024 @08:22AM (#39041359)
Samsung Internet is a really good browser though, definitely my favorite on Android
Re:Samsung Extends Android and Security Updates to 7 Years by techwizrd on Wednesday January 17, 2024 @08:11PM (#39036156)
I would applaud a toggle or install screen to give people a choice. But many, myself included, find the Samsung OS customizations an improvement over stock Android.
Re:Samsung Extends Android and Security Updates to 7 Years by gHA5 on Wednesday January 17, 2024 @07:57PM (#39036017)
Who are the other vendors that have such a toggle?
Re:Samsung Extends Android and Security Updates to 7 Years by NathanCollins on Wednesday January 17, 2024 @08:02PM (#39036075)
It's not a toggle, but Google Pixel phones (or at least the one I owned a few years ago) come with very few if any bloatware type apps, since the default Android apps are the Google apps anyway. Contrast with Samsung that duplicates a bunch of core apps/functionality.
Re:Samsung Extends Android and Security Updates to 7 Years by hexagonwin on Wednesday January 17, 2024 @08:41PM (#39036409)
Not sure what you mean by default Android apps but Google Pixel apps != AOSP's stock apps. AFAIK most apps can now be disabled in Settings on recent Samsung phones, I'm not a fan but I don't think they're that worse compared to Pixels, especially on the flagship devices.
Re:Samsung Extends Android and Security Updates to 7 Years by hedora on Wednesday January 17, 2024 @09:04PM (#39036587)
Switching from stock to grapheneos more than doubled the battery life of my pixel 6 pro.

They install plenty of bloatware on google devices, but since it’s all background surveillance stuff, it doesn’t clutter the UI.

Re:Samsung Extends Android and Security Updates to 7 Years by jwells89 on Wednesday January 17, 2024 @09:18PM (#39036685)
Sony’s phones also come with minimally modified Android. They still have 3-4 bloatware apps to remove with ADB but it’s pretty manageable. I picked up an Xperia 1 V on discount to take the position of “flagship phone” in my Android app dev testing lineup and if I were switch my daily driver away from iOS, it would be in my list of considerations.
Re:Samsung Extends Android and Security Updates to 7 Years by silisili on Wednesday January 17, 2024 @11:09PM (#39037704)
Motorola is also super minimal/mostly Google. I think the only bloatware on my newest was an app to control 'moto actions', which I find gimmicky but some tend to like.

Yeah, my previous Samsung I had to spend a half hour with adb to get all their junk disabled.

Re:Samsung Extends Android and Security Updates to 7 Years by matheusmoreira on Thursday January 18, 2024 @02:16AM (#39038925)
In my experience Samsung's flagship phones are top notch hardware with superb build quality. According to user reports on the internet the latest Google Pixel can't even manage to connect to the cellular networks reliably and without overheating. I wish Samsung would step their security game up to GrapheneOS standards because I just can't trust Google not to fuck the phones up.
Re:Samsung Extends Android and Security Updates to 7 Years by MikusR on Thursday January 18, 2024 @03:27AM (#39039362)
Pixels come only with bloatware.
Re:Samsung Extends Android and Security Updates to 7 Years by jwells89 on Wednesday January 17, 2024 @09:13PM (#39036645)
I think maybe Asus, but I can’t be sure. Definitely saw the option in a phone review I watched in the past couple months.
Re:Samsung Extends Android and Security Updates to 7 Years by LawnGnome on Wednesday January 17, 2024 @11:22PM (#39037814)
It's not a global toggle, but Asus definitely has options to make things more stock-Androidy — you can basically turn the Settings app back into something resembling the stock version, and a bunch of their other UI enhancements and changes are also optional.

A long time Android user wouldn't have mistaken my Zenfone 9 for a Pixel at any more than a cursory glance, but you can get it pretty close, particularly in terms of feel.

Re:Samsung Extends Android and Security Updates to 7 Years by farhanhubble on Wednesday January 17, 2024 @08:38PM (#39036380)
Google is terrible at doing UX and Samsung has had a chance to actually built a quality alternative app store. However all they have managed to do is to churn out unusable bloated apps like SHealth, SmartThings and Samsung Note.
Re:Samsung Extends Android and Security Updates to 7 Years by dotnet00 on Wednesday January 17, 2024 @08:46PM (#39036453)
What alternatives do you prefer to Samsung Notes? I think it's by far the best note taking app I've used. OneNote is close but is less reliable.
Re:Samsung Extends Android and Security Updates to 7 Years by farhanhubble on Wednesday January 17, 2024 @09:29PM (#39036795)
I use Samsung note because majority of my notes are Screen Of Memos. I just don't like how they bring features and deprecate them or hide them somewhere undiscoverable. In the most recent instance of UX bug, the convert to text option for handwritten notes is gone!
Re:Samsung Extends Android and Security Updates to 7 Years by dotnet00 on Wednesday January 17, 2024 @11:30PM (#39037865)
Ah, slightly different use case then. I mainly use it to note down random ideas/do math in (where I'd like the benefits of handwriting without dealing with paper), so not doing much annotation and I don't use the convert to text feature so I didn't even notice that being removed.
Re:Samsung Extends Android and Security Updates to 7 Years by Zuiii on Wednesday January 17, 2024 @08:59PM (#39036555)
The funny thing is that even with all the bloat, these apps always fail short in subtle ways. Samsung notes still can't rotate drawn lines.
Re:Samsung Extends Android and Security Updates to 7 Years by m463 on Wednesday January 17, 2024 @09:20PM (#39036703)
> A good first step.

it is the other way around.

They are not trying to do the right thing, they are maintaining a data stream, and the updates will continue to update that equation to their benefit.

I think of this like vizio, which makes more collecting data from your television than selling you the hardware.

Re:Samsung Extends Android and Security Updates to 7 Years by diffeomorphism on Thursday January 18, 2024 @02:06AM (#39038875)
No, the whole point of the "me too" apps is that Google forbids choice. The device has to have the Google apps pre installed and the only way vendors can attack this monopoly is by putting their apps in addition ("instead" is forbidden).

Sure, the vendor apps often suck, but that is no reason to support monopolies.

Re:Samsung Extends Android and Security Updates to 7 Years by kosmozaut on Thursday January 18, 2024 @03:06AM (#39039223)
Not exactly what you asked for, but there is https://github.com/0x192/universal-android-debloater
Re:Samsung Extends Android and Security Updates to 7 Years by amadeuspagel on Thursday January 18, 2024 @07:52AM (#39041090)
> A good first step. The next one I’d like to see is a one-tap toggle that disables the bulk of Samsung OS customizations and “me too” apps/ecosystem cruft, as some other vendors have.

What other vendors have that?

The fundamental problem in the android world is that OEMs have no market power, and that makes it impossible for them to do longterm investments like research and security updates.

What you see here is that using these "me too" apps, Samsung managed to acquire some market power, and so is able to do some of these longterm investments now.

Re:Samsung Extends Android and Security Updates to 7 Years by rchaud on Thursday January 18, 2024 @01:38PM (#39045747)
Seems like you just want a Pixel phone with all-Google apps.

Samsung's built in apps are not "cruft" by any means.

The Notes app has pen support for sketching and PDF import/annotate, which lets me use a printable calendar digitally. The Browser app has dark mode and adblock; good luck with that on Google Chrome. The Music app doesn't try to upsell me to a YouTube Music plan.

I also use Bixby routines to quickly set custom timers for exercise, cooking etc.

Re:Samsung Extends Android and Security Updates to 7 Years by anbotero on Thursday January 18, 2024 @04:04PM (#39047704)
Concur with Notes and Bixby Routines. Discovered and tinkered with them three months ago. I was missing a lot, actually.

Given I’m more Power User than average user, I’m also in favor of vanilla as possible, but it’s not like an extra icon away from home and Edge Panels is really uncomfortable for me, I don’t even feel the presence of a lot of those extra applications I don’t use.

Re:Samsung Extends Android and Security Updates to 7 Years by PawgerZ on Thursday January 18, 2024 @02:56PM (#39046777)
Samsung Notes is the only thing that I miss after switching to Pixel. It was everything I needed in a notes app with seemingly no bloat.
Re:Samsung Extends Android and Security Updates to 7 Years by RadiozRadioz on Thursday January 18, 2024 @02:20PM (#39046306)
I don't think customization is a chief selling point, not for 99% of people. It's only a selling point for the types of people who talk about the selling points of operating systems.