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Re:The big alcohol study that didn't happen by selimthegrim on Friday January 12, 2024 @01:52AM (#38964865)
Is it true people won’t even use alcohol as disinfectant?
Re:The big alcohol study that didn't happen by 2Gkashmiri on Friday January 12, 2024 @01:53AM (#38964877)
nope. total BS. you know something about denatured alcohol. It cant be consumed so its fine for any use. like COVID brought hand sanitizers everywhere and it caused no problems.
Re:The big alcohol study that didn't happen by mcmoor on Saturday January 13, 2024 @02:15AM (#38977950)
Can you explain a bit about denatured alcohol? I searched about alcohol in hand sanitizer but didn't find anything useful
Re:The big alcohol study that didn't happen by fsckboy on Saturday January 13, 2024 @02:28AM (#38977989)
denatured:

(2) Of alcohol made undrinkable, by adding a toxin or unpalatable substance, but still useful as a fuel or solvent. Traditionally by the addition of methanol (wood alcohol) to ethanol (grain alcohol).

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/denatured

seems like there should be more information here, but I didn't look

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denatured_alcohol

Re:The big alcohol study that didn't happen by mcmoor on Saturday January 13, 2024 @09:01AM (#38979945)
Wait, shouldn't hand sanitizer food-grade? Wouldn't making it poisonous be very dangerous?
Re:The big alcohol study that didn't happen by fsckboy on Saturday January 13, 2024 @09:40PM (#38986898)
only poisonous in quantity, small amounts like from your hand would be tolerable. We just don't want alcoholics drinking a whole bottle to feed their addiction and then winding up blind.
Re:The big alcohol study that didn't happen by tomnipotent on Saturday January 13, 2024 @02:38AM (#38978030)
In the US, hand sanitizer must be mostly ethanol or isopropyl alcohol. They're denatured to make unsafe for consumption and avoid certain classes of taxes on alcoholic beverages.
Re:The big alcohol study that didn't happen by paleface on Saturday January 13, 2024 @04:00AM (#38978291)
> nope. total BS.

It’s not total bullshit, whatsoever. I’ve known a good few Muslims, who would not use alcohol, as either a disinfectant, or topical liniment - due to their Wahhabi interpretation, of the Quran.

There’s a whole thread, from over a decade ago, on a Kung Fu forum, where a “revert” went into depth, about why he could not purchase, or create a bruise liniment, from ethanol, because he claimed it went against the Quran. This despite the fact, the end product would be highly poisonous, and thereby de facto denatured…

I’ve also trained with people, who would only use liniments made from vinegar, as the base, for similar reasons.

So yes - some Muslims, will not use any alcohol products, whatsoever, for any reason!

Re:The big alcohol study that didn't happen by foodhere on Saturday January 13, 2024 @07:03AM (#38979219)
>due to their Wahhabi interpretation, of the Quran.

This is not necessarily the case. For example, the Shafi'i school of jurispudence deems all liquid intoxicants are impure (as in, physically) and impermissible to trade in regardless of source. The only path to purity is turning say wine into vinegar (though there is some nuance here). This school has a very rich history and has existed far long before ibn 'Abd al-Wahhab was born and is followed by the majority of Muslims in south east Asia, Jordan and parts of the Levant, Kurdistan, the Caucasus, Somalia, and other places.

Due to the prevalence of liquid intoxicants in modern manufacturing and the world at large, sometimes scholars of this school deem the presence of intoxicants in certain products excusable to use under certain conditions. This is according to pre-existing principles regarding difficulty, need, etc. (rather than "clergymen making things up").

As a side note, amongst "Wahhabis", jurispudence is not universal, unlike theology. For example, you can find people who may be called a "Shafi'i Wahhabi", i.e., a Wahhabi that follows the Shafi'i school of jurispudence. Though the term Wahhabi isn't typically appreciated by them. There is a style of jurispudence that is mostly popular amongst them (and not most other Muslims), however it is does not necessarily lead to "harsh" or strict views that outsiders assume of them.

Re:The big alcohol study that didn't happen by paleface on Saturday January 13, 2024 @09:31AM (#38980232)
Hi - it wasn’t my intention, to insinuate that that Wahhabi dogma, is universally interpreted - but merely to demonstrate that some Muslims, do indeed eschew alcohol, in any form. I have grown up, around Muslims, all my life - and I know for a fact, the person whom I referred to, in my earlier anecdote, was a follower of the Wahhabi doctrine - and gave me his reasoning as to why he couldn’t use alcohol based liniments, as such.
Re:The big alcohol study that didn't happen by selimthegrim on Saturday January 13, 2024 @12:50PM (#38982512)
Someone had been relating story about bus driver in Islamabad/Anantnag who wouldn’t
Re:The big alcohol study that didn't happen by foodhere on Saturday January 13, 2024 @02:06AM (#38977920)
Some Muslims deem that acceptable, some do not. The former view, anecdotally, seems to be the overwhelmingly more popular view (though even those adopting this view can differ in reasoning).
Re:The big alcohol study that didn't happen by ak_111 on Saturday January 13, 2024 @03:46AM (#38978250)
There is a general license in islamic theology that when it comes to life and death situations you are allowed to break almost any of the rules temporarily (survival overrides close to any other religious obligation/rule).

This includes eating pork and drinking alcohol (say if they are the only food beverages available, or if you need to drink alcohol to manage exceptional medical conditions). So it is likely you can make an argument for alcohol as disinfectant if it is the only one available with its impact/cost.