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Re:Is my plane a 737 MAX? by JumpCrisscross on Tuesday January 09, 2024 @01:00PM (#38929446)
> doubt people are that afraid of 737 Max that they'll cancel a flight (and forfeit their ticket) over it

Nobody rational will. But there are plenty of people with an understandable fear of flying who will create a customer-service kerfuffle over it. On the margin that might not do anything. But in aggregate it could affect how the airlines negotiate settlements from Boeing.

Re:Is my plane a 737 MAX? by dist-epoch on Tuesday January 09, 2024 @01:29PM (#38929897)
Everybody agrees that FAA is not what it used to be, these days the Boeing engineers are basically self-certifying their planes.

So what's irrational in not believing that 737 Max is safe?

Re:Is my plane a 737 MAX? by JumpCrisscross on Tuesday January 09, 2024 @01:35PM (#38929995)
> what's irrational in not believing that 737 Max is safe?

The millions of miles they've flown without incident.

The key difference this conversation demands is a design versus fabrication or maintenance error. MCAS was a design error. It called into question the entire 737 Max fleet. This looks like a fabrication or maintenance mistake. That calls into question all of the planes similarly fabricated or maintained--those have been grounded. It doesn't affect a 737 Max of a different type, that has been flown for years and been through routine inspections, including of the very bolts suspected to be the cause of this accident.

Caveat: I strongly suspect more than the type 9 need to be looked at. But we do not have evidence that they are unsafe.

Re:Is my plane a 737 MAX? by 123pie123 on Tuesday January 09, 2024 @02:09PM (#38930500)
interesting question.. how many miles have 737max flown without any incidents?
Re:Is my plane a 737 MAX? by stevehawk on Tuesday January 09, 2024 @02:54PM (#38931110)
> Everybody agrees that FAA is not what it used to be, these days the Boeing engineers are basically self-certifying their planes.

I think Boeing /engineers/ would argue that statement and instead tell you that Boeing /management/ is self certifying the planes.

Re:Is my plane a 737 MAX? by averageRoyalty on Thursday January 18, 2024 @05:19PM (#39048671)
Thankfully, the US is not the world and there are other authorities beyond the FAA.
Re:Is my plane a 737 MAX? by eastbound on Tuesday January 09, 2024 @01:13PM (#38929666)
No. It’s just that people want to vote with their feet, and inflict damage to Boeing for abhorrent behavior.

I mean not even every army general in every country has killed as many as Boeing.

Re:Is my plane a 737 MAX? by JumpCrisscross on Tuesday January 09, 2024 @01:16PM (#38929707)
> people want to vote with their feet, and inflict damage to Boeing for abhorrent behavior

People want to express outrage. That’s understandable.

Most flight revenue is from frequent travellers, and they understand the business enough to know histrionics won’t change Boeing’s incumbency. A couple people who fly twice a year swapping airlines isn’t going to move the needle. And I doubt a material fraction of them are likely voters who would bother their electeds about this.

Re:Is my plane a 737 MAX? by _jal on Tuesday January 09, 2024 @01:24PM (#38929830)
> their histrionics won’t change Boeing’s incumbency

You seem to entirely miss the possibility that this has nothing to do with "punishing" anyone, and that people simply don't want to stress out about dying during their flight.

You can call it irrational if you like, that feeling of superiority and a few bucks will get you a snack. The brain worm is there, I know I'll be thinking about it next time I book tickets.

Re:Is my plane a 737 MAX? by JumpCrisscross on Tuesday January 09, 2024 @01:37PM (#38930024)
> people simply don't want to stress out about dying during their flight

Sure, and as I point out elsewhere, that's reasonable [1]. It's irrational because it doesn't actually change anything, about your situation or systematically.

Not flying a 737 Max to feel better is reasonable. Doing it to be safer, or because it's going to punish Boeing or whatever, is not.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38929638

Re:Is my plane a 737 MAX? by ddalex on Wednesday January 10, 2024 @01:37AM (#38936990)
That's why we need to be vocal about the badness of 737 MAX - bad reputation is just as worse as people not flying.