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Re:FAA orders grounding of more than 170 Boeing 737 Max 9s by MadnessASAP on Saturday January 06, 2024 @04:35PM (#38895732)
I can't link you an independent source just my word as an aircraft mechanic.

I have never seen a 100% serviceable aircraft, as far as I'm concerned a aircraft where everything works to spec and the spec works to needs is a myth that we strive for but can never achieve.

Re:FAA orders grounding of more than 170 Boeing 737 Max 9s by Exuma on Saturday January 06, 2024 @06:50PM (#38896844)
Got any undercover advice for Airlines or plane models to avoid? When you book at ticket is there anything you just won't fly knowing what you know?
Re:FAA orders grounding of more than 170 Boeing 737 Max 9s by habinero on Saturday January 06, 2024 @11:52PM (#38898560)
Commercial aviation is ridiculously safe and well-regulated. Worry about the ride to the airport instead.

You're far more likely to die in a private plane or in an executive jet. GA aircraft crash constantly.

Re:FAA orders grounding of more than 170 Boeing 737 Max 9s by cf1241290841 on Sunday January 07, 2024 @03:41AM (#38899622)
Providing an negative economic incentive for bad actors is still a good idea.
Re:FAA orders grounding of more than 170 Boeing 737 Max 9s by habinero on Sunday January 07, 2024 @03:37PM (#38904908)
We already have laws for when people are criminally negligent.

You want people incentivized to participate in safety culture, not motivated to frame others or destroy evidence to save their jobs.

People will always make mistakes and have poor judgment sometimes. That will never go away, and punishing people will not stop it. A robust safety culture expects this to happen, and builds in mechanisms to catch problems.

Re:FAA orders grounding of more than 170 Boeing 737 Max 9s by CyanBird on Sunday January 07, 2024 @03:56PM (#38905041)
> we have got laws

Of which as mentioned previously by Miraste/flight 261 regarding Alaska were not implemented clearly and cleanly given that the person who raised the alarm of ghr situation was fired and the situation continued onwards

Right now regarding boeing there are also boeing whistleblowers in new NGOs set up to police boeing malpractice... If only laws work and this weren't necessary, as boeing also has bribed faa staff to achieve their own objectives risking public safety

Re:FAA orders grounding of more than 170 Boeing 737 Max 9s by cf1241290841 on Sunday January 07, 2024 @06:27PM (#38906325)
That doesnt seem to be the current IS state when it comes to certain companies. Some dont have a safety culture on company level but one of corruption and economically viable malpractice. Which means the negative effects you describe are already happening.

Once policing fails to stop their trend economic pressure is really the only thing that is left. Especially if policing failed due to said company being able to use economic power to influence the policymakers and the people tasked with enforcing those policies.

As long as people buy stuff from companies with a negative safety culture that have political pull, they dont have an incentive to change. I dont see an alternative to boycotting these dangerous malfunctioning actors.

edit: Or to get to your initial wording, this isnt about how to deal with people making errors or having poor judgement but people acting with intent for economic reasons.

Re:FAA orders grounding of more than 170 Boeing 737 Max 9s by mattmaroon on Saturday January 06, 2024 @04:53PM (#38895903)
Given the number of parts on one, it would be impossible for them all to be working perfectly at once.