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Re:Gödel believed in the afterlife. In 4 letters to his moth... by aliasxneo on Friday January 05, 2024 @06:39PM (#38886610)
> I prefer to look at this not as woo-woo, or belief, but rather logical deduction based on sound premises.

Are you saying that belief is woo-woo? Curious to understand how you're relating the two.

Re:Gödel believed in the afterlife. In 4 letters to his moth... by madaxe_again on Friday January 05, 2024 @07:48PM (#38887099)
Yes. Belief is grounded in nothing - hence it is belief. One could believe in moon Nazis, or Bigfoot, or god - without a shred of evidence for any of them.

Knowledge is based upon rationale and testable hypotheses.

Re:Gödel believed in the afterlife. In 4 letters to his moth... by aliasxneo on Friday January 05, 2024 @08:27PM (#38887365)
Maybe this is just semantics, but the statement, "I believe my wife loves me," would necessarily be grounded in nothing? Or is that not belief?
Re:Gödel believed in the afterlife. In 4 letters to his moth... by madaxe_again on Saturday January 06, 2024 @03:37AM (#38889684)
That’s not belief. Either your wife loves you (good for you) or she does not (hooray for me). She’ll let you know, either way, so there’s no need for belief here.
Re:Gödel believed in the afterlife. In 4 letters to his moth... by aliasxneo on Saturday January 06, 2024 @11:04AM (#38892519)
Interesting way to avoid the question. I guess we'll just have to disagree :)
Re:Gödel believed in the afterlife. In 4 letters to his moth... by mensetmanusman on Friday January 05, 2024 @11:23PM (#38888400)
Belief that you exist, belief that free will exists, belief that others have consciousness, belief in human rights.
Re:Gödel believed in the afterlife. In 4 letters to his moth... by madaxe_again on Saturday January 06, 2024 @03:36AM (#38889679)
I think, therefore I am.

Free will is entirely debatable.

In the same vein, the consciousness of others is also not certain, but I err on the side of caution.

I don’t “believe” in human rights, however they probably create a better living environment for all, therefore I would say they are a good thing.

Re:Gödel believed in the afterlife. In 4 letters to his moth... by mensetmanusman on Sunday January 07, 2024 @08:28AM (#38901030)
Caution would assume others don't have free will.
Re:Gödel believed in the afterlife. In 4 letters to his moth... by CooCooCaCha on Saturday January 06, 2024 @02:25PM (#38894472)
Free will is an illusion
Re:Gödel believed in the afterlife. In 4 letters to his moth... by autio on Sunday January 07, 2024 @09:54PM (#38907707)
A bit of thinking through what freedom is and what will is will show the claim that free will is an illusion to be an illusion.
Re:Gödel believed in the afterlife. In 4 letters to his moth... by CooCooCaCha on Wednesday January 10, 2024 @12:43PM (#38941070)
No. You are made of physics.

Your brain will act according to physics.

Re:Gödel believed in the afterlife. In 4 letters to his moth... by mensetmanusman on Monday January 08, 2024 @11:55AM (#38914803)
It is for some, but not all.

Also, for whom is it an illusion? ;)

Re:Gödel believed in the afterlife. In 4 letters to his moth... by CooCooCaCha on Wednesday January 10, 2024 @12:44PM (#38941074)
Everybody's brains act according to the laws of physics. The feeling that you have a choice is an illusion.
Re:Gödel believed in the afterlife. In 4 letters to his moth... by mensetmanusman on Thursday January 11, 2024 @05:39PM (#38960446)
Should I believe you or my lying eyes! :)