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Re:Boeing wants FAA to exempt MAX 7 from safety rules to get... by wannacboatmovie on Friday January 05, 2024 @03:08PM (#38884141)
It makes you wonder if the aviation experts posting here, many of whom could not find their own ass without JavaScript automation, could understand a world where you have complex machinery (such as an airplane) controlled only by a trained operator (such as a pilot). It's for the same reason they don't allow just anyone to drive forklifts.

It defies how we made it through the first hundred years of commercial aviation with pilots having to deal with more complex tasks than an "up/down" switch.

Re:Boeing wants FAA to exempt MAX 7 from safety rules to get... by parl_match on Friday January 05, 2024 @03:17PM (#38884280)
Hi!

Please refer to this chart that shows the accidents/incident rates over time and their incredible trend towards zero!

https://i.imgur.com/PVaPAdX.png

That didn't happen just by itself!

Re:Boeing wants FAA to exempt MAX 7 from safety rules to get... by wannacboatmovie on Friday January 05, 2024 @03:24PM (#38884371)
It has more to do with the introduction of Crew Resource Management than anything else, many airlines still fly 30 year old aircraft without fancy automation. Recall AF447 where the over-reliance on automation caused a tragedy when it failed and of course the MCAS debacle where the automation was directly implicated. There is room for a more nuanced answer here.
Re:Boeing wants FAA to exempt MAX 7 from safety rules to get... by parl_match on Friday January 05, 2024 @04:01PM (#38884878)
> many airlines still fly 30 year old aircraft without fancy automation

Those planes have been retrofitted over time or are in significantly decreasing use for passenger aircraft.

Over reliance on automation is an issue, to be sure, but in the macro sense, it is one part of a significant downtrend in fatalities.

Re:Boeing wants FAA to exempt MAX 7 from safety rules to get... by NooneAtAll3 on Friday January 05, 2024 @05:25PM (#38885853)
are you sure that X years ago airlines didn't fly 30 year old aircraft as well? only those planes were 30 y/o *at the time*?
Re:Boeing wants FAA to exempt MAX 7 from safety rules to get... by hindsightbias on Friday January 05, 2024 @04:26PM (#38885190)
Given the general hostility on HN towards ATC, General Aviation, county airports and old planes you can safely presume all those future planes will be using autopilots only. Because we sure as hell won’t have any new humans qualified to operate the machinery.

Just imagine that automated future. MCAS everywhere! We should start the debate now which language all that automation should be written.

Re:Boeing wants FAA to exempt MAX 7 from safety rules to get... by ShadowBanThis01 on Friday January 05, 2024 @06:15PM (#38886379)
I haven't noticed this hostility. Where did you see it?
Re:Boeing wants FAA to exempt MAX 7 from safety rules to get... by sebzim4500 on Friday January 05, 2024 @07:36PM (#38887010)
Are you using "aviation expert" sarcastically? Because the Allied Pilots Association is reportedly concerned about this and I think it's fair to say there are some aviation experts in that group.