In all seriousness I really wish SpaceX and Starlink werent associated with Musk because they are amazing. Tesla less so, Teslas are mostly a status symbol.
The second one is just a vague smear; I don’t know where you got that one but it sounds made up. Or you may be confusing him with someone else.
That’s about all people pull out. Smears, unfounded and unsourced and decontextualized accusations, stories of lawsuits filed by what seem like bad actors looking for a payday, etc., no substance.
Perhaps without meaning to, you have amplified my point.
It is always the same with you Musk fanatics. Is it an appeal to authority thing because hes rich? What is it about Musk in particular that makes people of a certain bent feel the need to appear out of the woodwork and defend his honor?
But it’s the reverse of what you’re talking about. It’s what drives the baseless critics of Elon. You can see the level of emotion by their use of words like “fanatics” to describe people who dare to so much as suggest thinking for yourself.
What drives the fans? Or “fanatics” as you say? I guess just annoyance at people still channeling so much money to the likes of MBS. We should be moving past that world, not supporting companies that are doubling down on it.
Also annoyance at the Karens of the world. Live and let live. Appreciate humor. Lighten up. If you’re not onboard with helping big projects that improve things, fine, but it shouldn’t be some big unfathomable mystery why some of us do appreciate i.
https://www.thestar.com.my/tech/tech-news/2024/01/02/unusual...
> “This was a first for Autauga County,” the fire department wrote. “Electric vehicle fires are unusual and present unique challenges and dangers to firefighters.” The smoke from these types of fires contains toxic gases such as hydrogen fluoride and hydrogen chloride, officials said. The batteries can also reignite even after they blaze has been put out, the fire department added.
"I read about accidents people had in their nice 5 year old gas cars" So the question becomes why is "I've read about" a valid response and how does it stand up against "I read about how dangerous EVs are in a random article somewhere online sometime"?
"I read about" is only part of my response, and the rest of my response speaks for itself. One does have to poke beyond what one reads.
Poke beyond the dramatic headlines and you see that if EV batteries ever burn, which they usually don't even in accidents, they always make the news, but they burn slowly, giving occupants ample time to get away assuming they avail themselves of the easily grasped and intuitively placed manual door releases.
"one has to poke" definitely... which is why the "i read" line really stands out as a limited comment which I am poking at. The notion that EVs are "better" is an interesting view considering the cost to make, the dangers and the waste left behind.
I question that assertion as most of the math that I've seen behind those equations gloss over the creation of "green" tech (battery creation is not green. megatons of windmill blades in landfills is not green. unrecyclable stuff, etc). It also glosses over the long tail problems (recycling, or to be more accurate the lack of).
I'm not buying that assertion because it's pointing at a tree and ignoring the forest of problems. Its a rosy glass tinted answer designed to ignore the greater conversation.
>less on gas compared to electricity
I think you had a typo there, it is backwards.
Cars are recycled all the time. Nothing new there. If you’re thinking of batteries, one, they don’t need to be replaced for hundreds of thousands of miles, and two, it is affordable, and, for recycling of materials in batteries, JB Straubel who used to be an executive at Tesla has a startup that is solving that problem cold. A lithium battery is one of the richest sources of lithium out there; there’s no way they would not be recycled now that we have scale.
Shit is real.
"recycling happens all the time" Sure for some stuff... but electronics are not in a good spot on recycling.
https://cen.acs.org/materials/energy-storage/time-serious-re...
2-5% of batteries are recycled. in 2019. You think the numbers have gone up that far? I don't think so.
That's not counting the environmental damange done getting "the most richest sources" into a usable state.
"no way" I'm talking reality... not could be. should be. will be.
Is.
Today? Shit isn't recycled. IE: Windmill blades
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2020-02-05/wind-turb...
One of the key pieces of the green "solution" is filling up landfills with megatons of unrecyclable material.
And that's not talking about the "cheap" batteries.
https://www.businessinsider.com/electric-car-battery-cost-re...
Batteries are expensive. Insurance is expensive. Getting materials is expensive (and destructive). Recycling electronics and batteries is expensive (and thus filling up landfills).
I'm sorry but at the end of the day? The "solution" of green tech is no solution so far. It's simply promises and ignoring the problems because gas "stinks".
"Shit is real" my above statement is real as are the problems with "green".
Huh? On what basis do you believe EVs on the market today are safer than their ICE counterparts?
The most priceless thing though is safety for your family. I read about accidents people had in their nice 5 year old gas cars, and it’s just sad to me that they didn’t see the options for what they were, and could have easily afforded a much safer car, but instead based their choices on bad information about supposed long charging times and supposed long lines at chargers.