I'm sure Volvos are safe (definitely far behind Tesla though, I've owned both) but now knowing that Volvo is a China owned company, I would never buy one for that reason, nothing to do with safety.

Kind of like how tesla is a musk owned company. I would never buy one for that reason.

From what I can tell Elon is actually a good guy. I think he gets a bad rap because a lot of people believe everything they read and regurgitate it without question. They almost never provide specifics — your comment is a case in point — and if they do it’s totally trivial stuff where he’s just being a person. We’re all imperfect; he’s just more open.

Spoken like an Elon.

Another perfect case in point! Good one.

I had a bet with my partner if leaving this comment would attract Elon apologist fans and how many. Theres only one of you which means I lost 5$. Damn you.

In all seriousness I really wish SpaceX and Starlink werent associated with Musk because they are amazing. Tesla less so, Teslas are mostly a status symbol.

People absolutely provide specifics. How about the times he keeps firing people who disagree with him? Or when he sexually assaults people? Is that “just being a person”?

The first one, he has the right to fire jerks. So that’s kind of a non-issue. Happens in every company, but when he does it, it makes the news.

The second one is just a vague smear; I don’t know where you got that one but it sounds made up. Or you may be confusing him with someone else.

That’s about all people pull out. Smears, unfounded and unsourced and decontextualized accusations, stories of lawsuits filed by what seem like bad actors looking for a payday, etc., no substance.

Perhaps without meaning to, you have amplified my point.

Considering that I the first, second, third, …basically every result for a search of “Elon Musk sexual assault” references the incident in question, your claim that you have no idea what I’m talking about either shows that you’re playing dumb or not willing to do a single search to look up what other people are talking about. Why are you surprised when people push back on you saying he’s basically a great guy? Of course you’ll have that viewpoint if you ignore everything that points to the opposite being true or just never look at it. If you’re going to make the argument that Elon just has gamer moments or is constantly being vilified by the media I think that’s also completely false but at least it’s possible to respond to. If you’re going to go “look I don’t even know what you’re talking about” I don’t see how there’s anything more to discuss.

…alleged* incident. I had forgotten about that story since it was so thoroughly debunked right there in the article itself. But go ahead and believe anything you want, that’s your right.

Next youre going to tell me he engineered and designed Tesla, Falcon Heavies and Starship.

It is always the same with you Musk fanatics. Is it an appeal to authority thing because hes rich? What is it about Musk in particular that makes people of a certain bent feel the need to appear out of the woodwork and defend his honor?

Look up neitzschian slave morality.

But it’s the reverse of what you’re talking about. It’s what drives the baseless critics of Elon. You can see the level of emotion by their use of words like “fanatics” to describe people who dare to so much as suggest thinking for yourself.

What drives the fans? Or “fanatics” as you say? I guess just annoyance at people still channeling so much money to the likes of MBS. We should be moving past that world, not supporting companies that are doubling down on it.

Also annoyance at the Karens of the world. Live and let live. Appreciate humor. Lighten up. If you’re not onboard with helping big projects that improve things, fine, but it shouldn’t be some big unfathomable mystery why some of us do appreciate i.