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Re:What Happened to EVs? by hansvm on Wednesday January 03, 2024 @11:13PM (#38862902)
That's new to me. I thought cold only impacted peak power, not total energy.
Re:What Happened to EVs? by nostrademons on Wednesday January 03, 2024 @11:18PM (#38862938)
Apparently people are noticing very steep drop-offs in observed range based on temperature, eg. a Mazda CX-90 (26 mile rated range, and gets it pretty consistently at 70F) can only go around 12 miles at 40F.

https://old.reddit.com/r/MazdaCX90/comments/18ib2cz/battery_...

A big component of it is heater use. In an ICE vehicle, you heat the car with waste heat that is going to be lost anyway. In an EV, you heat the car with energy from the battery. Heating takes up way more energy than most people realize.

Re:What Happened to EVs? by darknavi on Wednesday January 03, 2024 @11:23PM (#38862962)
It's been a pretty cool area to see innovation in. Newer Teslas (Model Y at least) have a really complex heat pump system that really helps reduce range loss dude to cold weather.
Re:What Happened to EVs? by Yhippa on Wednesday January 03, 2024 @11:51PM (#38863141)
That is a shame. I was looking at that SUV and 40F isn't too terribly cold around where I live. That stinks that it over halves the range of the PHEV.
Re:What Happened to EVs? by sitkack on Thursday January 04, 2024 @04:31AM (#38864999)
It depends on vehicle.
Re:What Happened to EVs? by jader201 on Wednesday January 03, 2024 @11:28PM (#38863006)
The range on my EV6 is noticeably less in the cold. It feels like I get 0.5-1.0 fewer miles per kWh when temperatures are around freezing (roughly 15-30% less).

On our last couple of trips in freezing temps, we had to hop on backroads so that we could safely reduce our speed enough to make it.

Re:What Happened to EVs? by Yhippa on Wednesday January 03, 2024 @11:53PM (#38863148)
I cannot fathom a non-linear or even random decrease in range due to external factors while driving a vehicle. This is making me rethink getting an EV for my next car. I can only hope/assume this will get solved for in like 10 years.
Re:What Happened to EVs? by jader201 on Thursday January 04, 2024 @01:15AM (#38863699)
FWIW, with that downside (and really that plus the range are the biggest two downsides), these are by far outweighed by the upsides.

It is practically zero maintenance, so much more fun/pleasant to drive, and no more trips to the gas station every week or two.

I have considered replacing our other (ICE) vehicle with a second EV, but the article hits on the main reason stopping me: we still take enough road trips that the (current) lack of infrastructure would make those tough for an EV.

But I think I will always own at least one EV, and I’m hoping the infrastructure improves enough to allow me to get rid of our ICE vehicle.

Re:What Happened to EVs? by jdietrich on Thursday January 04, 2024 @12:46AM (#38863514)
Lithium batteries do have less usable capacity in extremely cold weather, but the real killer is heating. ICE cars have abundant waste heat to warm the cabin, but an EV has to use battery power. For a short journey on a very cold day, it's possible to use more energy for heating than propulsion. EVs are increasingly equipped with heat pumps, but you're still unavoidably going to see a reduction in range as soon as you turn on the climate control.