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Re:How to get rich in the 21st century by anovikov on Wednesday January 03, 2024 @06:54AM (#38853071)
Simply put, to become sustainably rich you need society and the nation itself built on democratic roots and have a long-term (centuries) tradition of rule of law, and be of Protestant faith (or Jewish). Trying to parrot some outward features of white, Protestant nations in futile hope to achieve same result, is nothing but a cargo cult.
Re:How to get rich in the 21st century by wslh on Wednesday January 03, 2024 @07:04AM (#38853123)
But we can also say that China, which is not a democracy, dramatically increased their middle class [1]. This is not an anti-democracy advocacy but I think we should understand the big picture. In this context, we cannot see democracy as an static thing and try to evolve.

[1] "The Evolution of Middle Class Chinese Outbound Travel Preferences: An International Perspective": https://www.researchgate.net/publication/262789226_The_Evolu...

Re:How to get rich in the 21st century by anovikov on Wednesday January 03, 2024 @07:12AM (#38853182)
They did so by destroying their environment, and ultimately, themselves. Their reproduction rate is at best half of minimally sustaining level. It's not nearly as bad in any free country, they literally ate their own soul in pursuit of rapid economic growth pushed by dictators longing for world domination.
Re:How to get rich in the 21st century by gruez on Wednesday January 03, 2024 @08:26AM (#38853778)
>They did so by destroying their environment

Isn't that a stage that all countries go through? Before the EPA the environment in the US was probably just as bad.

Re:How to get rich in the 21st century by AnimalMuppet on Wednesday January 03, 2024 @08:36AM (#38853871)
I don't think China is a counterexample (yet). They have yet to show that they can get beyond the "middle income trap".

South Korea, Japan, and Singapore might be counterexamples, though.

Re:How to get rich in the 21st century by randomdata on Wednesday January 03, 2024 @08:52AM (#38854021)
> China, which is not a democracy

While China is generally considered the least democratic country in the world, it does exhibit some glimmers of democracy. Democracy is most certainly not a binary state.

Regardless, China is still quite poor compared to peer countries. Maybe that will change someday, but it is a long road ahead.

Re:How to get rich in the 21st century by snowpid on Wednesday January 03, 2024 @09:09AM (#38854211)
Though democratic elements can be found in authoritarian regimes China is a bad example. Russia was a better example, maybe Singapur. But not China.
Re:How to get rich in the 21st century by nomonnai on Wednesday January 03, 2024 @08:59AM (#38854082)
There are numerous counterexamples to the factors you mention.

Czechia (Czech Republic) is a strongly atheist country and doing quite well. None of the East Asian countries are Protestant or Jewish. Italy's GDP, a Catholic country, is on par with Canada's; Poland, another Catholic country, is enjoying robust growth; Ireland, also Catholic, is doing fantastic.

South Korea's growth was initiated under a military dictatorship, as was Spain's. The country with the highest GDP per capita, Monaco, is hardly democratic; Singapore was ruled by a dictator for a long time; Vietnam, a socialist republic, is on a remarkable upward trajectory.

Re:How to get rich in the 21st century by NoZebra120vClip on Wednesday January 03, 2024 @11:54AM (#38856332)
I must take issue with the labelling of European countries as sectarian at all. When you call someplace "a Catholic country" are we referring to an Established Church, to the faith of the majority of citizens, to a legacy culture, support for the hierarchy, what?

Because Ireland, Italy, Czechia are markedly diverse nations with pluralistic religions being represented, and those minorities are growing. The first two have a strong history of Catholicism and so as a religion, it's embedded in myriad aspects of common culture that can't be swept away as easily in a sex abuse scandal. Yet in these United States, we have many who will disavow our "Judeo-Christian roots" because of the disestablishmentarianism of our Founding Fathers and enshrined in our Constitution.

I think the real comparison would be Arab Muslim nations, which strive towards a "vertical integration" of religious faith, morality, ethnicity, linguistic heritage, culture, and all that. Such a monoculture can make for a powerful nation that is unmatched by even China, which is comparatively a beacon of D.E.I. I mean, everyone else in the world is literally attempting to reimplement Genesis 11.

Of course this is a fundamentally silly conversation to have, because the primary goal and aim of Christianity (or Islam or Confucianism or what have you) has never been to enrich the populace or put money in the nation's coffers; that's merely a desirable means to an end. I believe that the OP was alluding to some mythical "Protestant Work Ethic" ideal that is perhaps epitomized by the Amish/Mennonite way of reinventing cloistered monasteries around family units.

Re:How to get rich in the 21st century by tacticalturtle on Wednesday January 03, 2024 @09:00AM (#38854100)
Aren’t Japan, South Korea, and Taiwan evidence against religious history aspect of your assertion?
Re:How to get rich in the 21st century by triceratops on Wednesday January 03, 2024 @10:21AM (#38855088)
Plenty of developed Catholic countries too.
Re:How to get rich in the 21st century by ProllyInfamous on Wednesday January 03, 2024 @12:04PM (#38856486)
Just wish their victims were "developed," too.

SRC: was raised Catholic...

Re:How to get rich in the 21st century by anovikov on Wednesday January 03, 2024 @09:49AM (#38854680)
Well, they were hard-forced to do very specific things about their economies and societies by the U.S. - which is, or at least was, a Protestant+Jewish force. And they arrived to second-rate results and also undermined their demography beyond any hope of repair, in the process.
Re:How to get rich in the 21st century by triceratops on Wednesday January 03, 2024 @10:25AM (#38855145)
> they arrived to second-rate results

What second-rate results are we talking about? Japan, a rocky island with regular earthquakes and typhoons, and no natural resources to speak of, was the second-largest economy in the world for most of the past 50 years.

Re:How to get rich in the 21st century by triceratops on Wednesday January 03, 2024 @10:23AM (#38855116)
> be of Protestant faith (or Jewish).

Like the extremely Protestant and Jewish countries of Spain, France, Italy, Ireland, Poland...I'm actually tired of listing countries now.

Re:How to get rich in the 21st century by emmender2 on Wednesday January 03, 2024 @10:53AM (#38855485)
anovikov: work on your biases. your beliefs (and internal narratives) are going to make you bitter as they are discordant with the real-world.