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Re:Emoji Are Legally Actionable by Baldbvrhunter on Saturday December 30, 2023 @09:15AM (#38815414)
How am I supposed to know how emoji's are rendered on your device.

What if my water pistol turns into a pistol by the time you see it and my harmless fun turns into a threat?

https://money.cnn.com/2016/08/01/technology/apple-pistol-emo...

Re:Emoji Are Legally Actionable by mgraczyk on Saturday December 30, 2023 @02:11PM (#38817997)
Fortunately the legal system is flexible enough to accommodate questions like this, both with interpretations of the law and with juries to determine the facts.

This isn't a new problem caused by emoji. You could make a similar argument about conversations had over the phone, turn signals, even physical contact.

Re:Emoji Are Legally Actionable by foobiekr on Saturday December 30, 2023 @03:09PM (#38818606)
Yeah. It's amazing that people in technology so often are unable to comprehend that the legal system is not a bunch of statements where debating the meaning of words or symbols or obscure things like rendering somehow are magic to bypass the law's intent.

The simple answer is, it's not "what it looked like to the other person" it's the intent of the author.

Re:Emoji Are Legally Actionable by mgraczyk on Saturday December 30, 2023 @03:13PM (#38818649)
A nitpick, but for your latter point it depends on the question.

In some cases it's the intent that matters, but the law often tries to avoid questions about actual intent because that's too difficult to figure out. Instead the question might hinge on what a reasonable person would have thought, or what the victim actually thought.

Re:Emoji Are Legally Actionable by prepend on Saturday December 30, 2023 @05:26PM (#38819901)
> often tries to avoid questions about actual intent because that's too difficult to figure out.

Of course the law tries to avoid it. But that’s sometimes impossible, thus disagreements and trials and judges and whatnot.

It’s not like ambiguity causes everything to crash. It just requires judgement that usually gets settled before it gets to court.

Re:Emoji Are Legally Actionable by stickfigure on Saturday December 30, 2023 @03:43PM (#38818907)
You have an optimistic view of the legal system. Sure intent matters, but you may still get arrested, spend many nights in jail, get fired from your job, and spend thousands of dollars on legal fees and bail while the system figures out your intent.
Re:Emoji Are Legally Actionable by fnordpiglet on Saturday December 30, 2023 @04:19PM (#38819281)
I’d note in America many nights can easily mean many years in jail without a trial.
Re:Emoji Are Legally Actionable by doubleg72 on Saturday December 30, 2023 @11:53PM (#38821908)
South America maybe?
Re:Emoji Are Legally Actionable by konschubert on Saturday December 30, 2023 @03:28PM (#38818780)
Yep. What Color are your bits.
Re:Emoji Are Legally Actionable by nicup12345689 on Tuesday January 09, 2024 @12:00PM (#38928499)
Only anglo-tard, 'guess the intent' legal systems. "Is he a person having bad thoughts?"
Re:Emoji Are Legally Actionable by staticman2 on Saturday December 30, 2023 @02:20PM (#38818097)
If you were accused of using a pistol emoji you or your lawyer would present evidence that it was a water gun on your device.
Re:Emoji Are Legally Actionable by throwaway8877 on Saturday December 30, 2023 @02:28PM (#38818177)
But what if you knew that your water pistol is rendered as a gun
Re:Emoji Are Legally Actionable by ohdannyboy on Saturday December 30, 2023 @02:35PM (#38818250)
The prosecutor would argue it at trial and a jury would decide if the argument is convincing beyond a reasonable doubt.
Re:Emoji Are Legally Actionable by clearleaf on Saturday December 30, 2023 @02:35PM (#38818253)
On the article, the "side-eyed-moon" doesn't look like a side eyed moon to me. It looks like a normal smiley face.
Re:Emoji Are Legally Actionable by o11c on Saturday December 30, 2023 @04:41PM (#38819482)
Same here. Firefox on Linux; not sure what extra font packages I've installed at various times.
Re:Emoji Are Legally Actionable by kistaro on Saturday December 30, 2023 @02:35PM (#38818262)
Even worse, sending a friendly affectionate yellow heart -- how was I supposed to know the recipient was using [Android 4.42](https://thenextweb.com/news/pink-hairy-hart-emoji)?